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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">+1 John - Its not even the first time -
and yes, this needs a new thread to separate it from the amateur
lawyers on the RackCentral thread.<br>
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I've posted before about the IIA - the Internet Industry
Association. You guys let that die by failing to support it, and
it fell over in March this year, transferring its IP into Comms
Alliance.<br>
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Before that was SPAN - Service Provider's Action Network -
basically everyone except Telstra, set up to further the needs of
the rest of the industry lobbying against Telstra.<br>
It went broke and merged with ACIF (Australian Communications
Industry Forum) to form Communications Alliance in 2006.<br>
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ATUG was around for a long time, representing the interests of
large business uses of telecommunications - but it was a victim of
its own success.<br>
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Calling for a *someone* that *aught to do something* to protect
ISP's interests misses the whole point. Its *you* that aughta do
something. You've had two or three such organisations in the past
many years, and you've let them all die. The only people that can
represent your interests are *you* - and if you form another
representative body to lobby government, you've got to resource it
appropriately with *real money* and *real people*, or you'll get
the same result.<br>
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If you've got nobody spending your lobbying budget flying (or
driving or taking the bus) to Canberra to speak to those who need
to be educated, you've only got yourself to blame if the outcome
isn't to your liking.<br>
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On 18/11/2014 10:09 PM, John Lindsay wrote:<br>
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<div>The function of industry associations is to speak to
government on behalf of industry to ensure the laws that
regulators enforce and courts arbitrate on are workable and
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<div>You all had your chance to keep a 20 year old established
respected association alive. </div>
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<div>Now you're getting the law you deserve for letting it die. <br>
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The pain as it is enforced and arbitrated will be a lesson for
all. <br>
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<div>John Lindsay</div>
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On 18 Nov 2014, at 2:46 pm, Jacob Gardiner <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>>
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do respect, do you really think that a community based
internet society (of sorts) should be deciding at all who is
allowed to undertake business within Australia, regardless
of industry? That’s the job of the government and legal
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