<div dir="ltr">NBN Co offers 4 classes of service. You want streaming video quality maybe you can negotiate?<div><br></div><div>Not sure if it would work practically but the option is there.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Paul Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">if they diss' you then simply disconnect them & move to an alternate monopoly provider!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-P<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Lindsay<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 November 2014 11:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Gibbs<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><span class=""><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] They're heeeeeere - Netflix in .au/.nz in March 2015<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">You can’t negotiate with streaming video quality.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div class="h5"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It’s either top grade or it’s visibly degraded or it stops working.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Price cuts are going to be followed up with further investigation into pricing.” is corporate code for “you’ll pay what we tell you to because we’re the new monopoly”.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yay.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">John Lindsay<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" target="_blank">johnslindsay@mac.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:%2B61403577711" value="+61403577711" target="_blank">+61403577711</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 19 Nov 2014, at 11:53 am, Chris Gibbs <<a href="mailto:chris.gibbs@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">chris.gibbs@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This has been floating around for a while now and is only the start. Price cuts are going to be followed up with further investigation into pricing.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think NBN Co have suggested a preferred option with cheaper pricing if the CVC is oversubscribed at better ratio's. Option 4 if memory serves. And the RSP would be in (semi-)control of pricing based on the oversubscribed AVC:CVC bandwidth. Sliding-scale to determine pricing. On of the points to be discussed was deciding how to calculate, i.e. NNI aggregate, POI aggregate or NBN aggregate of CVC to AVCs<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Btw... NBNCo announced on Monday that the CVC is going from $20/mb to $17.50 in Feb 15... #whoopdef!ckendoo.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>...Skeeve<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; skype://skeeve<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><img border="0" src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 19 November 2014 11:51, Matt Perkins <<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It's not Backhaul it's AGVC that's going to be the problem. Backhaul is easily fixed with peers / On prem etc. But the high cost of AGVC through the last mile or unavailability of NBN'co. that's going to cause a headache<br><br><br>Matt.<br><br><br><br>On 19/11/2014 11:39 am, Mark Newton wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Nov 19, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am keen to see what players will offer providers with peering.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I’m keen to see what ISPs are going to do about backhaul.<br><br> - mark<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><br><br>-- <br>/* Matt Perkins<br> Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. 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