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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>if they diss' you then simply disconnect them & move to an alternate monopoly provider!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Lindsay<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 November 2014 11:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Gibbs<br><b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] They're heeeeeere - Netflix in .au/.nz in March 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>You can’t negotiate with streaming video quality.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It’s either top grade or it’s visibly degraded or it stops working.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"Price cuts are going to be followed up with further investigation into pricing.” is corporate code for “you’ll pay what we tell you to because we’re the new monopoly”.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yay.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Lindsay<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com">johnslindsay@mac.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>+61403577711<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 Nov 2014, at 11:53 am, Chris Gibbs <<a href="mailto:chris.gibbs@serversaustralia.com.au">chris.gibbs@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This has been floating around for a while now and is only the start. Price cuts are going to be followed up with further investigation into pricing.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think NBN Co have suggested a preferred option with cheaper pricing if the CVC is oversubscribed at better ratio's. Option 4 if memory serves. And the RSP would be in (semi-)control of pricing  based on the oversubscribed AVC:CVC bandwidth. Sliding-scale to determine pricing. On of the points to be discussed was deciding how to calculate, i.e. NNI aggregate, POI aggregate or NBN aggregate of CVC to AVCs<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Btw... NBNCo announced on Monday that the CVC is going from $20/mb to $17.50 in Feb 15... #whoopdef!ckendoo.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 November 2014 11:51, Matt Perkins <<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It's not Backhaul it's AGVC that's going to be the problem. Backhaul is easily fixed with peers / On prem etc. But the high cost of AGVC through the last mile or unavailability of  NBN'co. that's going to cause a headache<br><br><br>Matt.<br><br><br><br>On 19/11/2014 11:39 am, Mark Newton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 19, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am keen to see what players will offer providers with peering.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m keen to see what ISPs are going to do about backhaul.<br><br>     - mark<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><br><br>-- <br>/* Matt Perkins<br>        Direct 1300 137 379     Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd.<br>        Office 1300 133 299     <a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a><br>                                Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000<br>        PGP/GNUPG Public Key can be found at  <a href="http://pgp.mit.edu/" target="_blank">http://pgp.mit.edu</a><br>*/<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:30.0pt 7.5pt 30.0pt 7.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><h1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#20487A;font-weight:normal'>Chris Gibbs<o:p></o:p></span></h1><h6 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#686868;font-weight:normal'>Level 3 System Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></h6></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:30.0pt 7.5pt 30.0pt 7.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"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