<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">ISOC and CommsAlliance exist for particular purposes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ISOC is focused on users, technology and public policy:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 34, 102); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">From their website: The Internet Society of Australia, ISOC-AU, was founded in 1996. It is a non-profit, user-focused organisation which promotes development of the Internet in Australia to </span><b style="color: rgb(0, 34, 102); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">benefit the whole community, including business, academic, professional, and private Internet users.</b></div><div class=""><b style="color: rgb(0, 34, 102); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 34, 102); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">And:</span><b style="color: rgb(0, 34, 102); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> </b><font color="#002266" face="arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif" class=""><b class="">ISOC-AU provides technically knowledgeable advice on Internet development and public policy.</b></font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">CommsAlliance is an industry organisation that delivers self regulation. It started as a Telco industry body and pre-dates the commercial Internet in Australia.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">CA has a structure that ensures it concentrates on telco industry self regulation and public policy. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It doesn’t really have much involvement in the Internet other than being the recipient of the IIA’s intellectual property when IIA was wound up.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">CA can’t do anything unless its Board agrees and that board is largely made up of old school telco people.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you have a CommsAlliance Board election vote you should vote for Matt Tett right now.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you think either of these bodies represents your interests you and/or your organisation should join.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
<div class="">John Lindsay</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" class="">johnslindsay@mac.com</a></div><div class="">+61403577711</div>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Nov 2014, at 12:18 pm, Ben Cooper <<a href="mailto:ben@zeno.io" class="">ben@zeno.io</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">ISOC-AU? Comms-Alliance?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM, John Lindsay <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" target="_blank" class="">johnslindsay@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">I cajoled Simon, Michael and Bevan into keeping the old IIA alive for three years but the organisations represented in this list didn't support it so the directors had no choice but to wind it up. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Feel free to have another go. <br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">John Lindsay</div></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class="">On 18 Nov 2014, at 12:11 pm, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" class="">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Exactly... Someone needs to get one going.... or an existing entity setup something to represent us.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class="">...Skeeve</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri" class="">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri" class="">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" class=""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" class="">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class="">Phone: <a href="tel:1300%20239%20038" value="+611300239038" target="_blank" class="">1300 239 038</a>; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" value="+61414753383" target="_blank" class="">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; <a class="">skype://skeeve</a></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank" class="">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank" class=""></a><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank" class="">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank" class="">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style="" class=""> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.theispguy.com</a><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><img src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span></div></font></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)" class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">Juniper - Cisco </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">- Cloud</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class=""> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">- Consulting</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class=""> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">- IPv4 Brokering</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 November 2014 12:39, John Lindsay <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" target="_blank" class="">johnslindsay@mac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">What Internet industry association do you mean?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This isn't one now. <br class=""><br class=""><div class="">John Lindsay</div></div><div class=""><br class="">On 18 Nov 2014, at 9:59 am, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" class="">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Perhaps one of our useful *cough* industry associations could offer this as a service.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class="">...Skeeve</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri" class="">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri" class="">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" class=""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" class="">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class="">Phone: <a href="tel:1300%20239%20038" value="+611300239038" target="_blank" class="">1300 239 038</a>; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" value="+61414753383" target="_blank" class="">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; <a class="">skype://skeeve</a></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank" class="">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank" class=""></a><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank" class="">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank" class="">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style="" class=""> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.theispguy.com</a><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class=""><img src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span></div></font></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)" class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">Juniper - Cisco </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">- Cloud</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class=""> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">- Consulting</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class=""> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px" class="">- IPv4 Brokering</span></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 November 2014 10:19, Ross Wheeler <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net" target="_blank" class="">ausnog@rossw.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="">
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br class="">
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What is missing in our industry is something like <a href="http://www.tica.com.au/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.tica.com.au/</a><br class="">
for ISPs. I've known a lot of dodgy providers who just move to another<br class="">
supplier of services. It would be great if there was some sort of industry<br class="">
reporting agency for customer - personal and business.<br class="">
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It's been raised (and killed) many times in the last 19 years that *I* know of, but there are legal/regulatory issues that have never been adequately addressed, and AFAIK no system has ever got off the ground.<br class="">
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