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<p>anyone who is going to do something stupid is hardly going to use a provider supplied email, and recommending they use gmail or hotmail shows you dont care about their users privacy, you only care about your part in responsibility.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12px;">I think there are way too many paranoid people here, its almost like, the writers of "millenium" should read the archives of this list for a great comeback series :)</span></p>
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<p>On 30/10/2014 16:58, Skeeve Stevens wrote:</p>
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<div>For new providers I'm building these days my recommendation is to do NO mail. Consumers can go to gmail/hotmail/etc... and businesses run their own.</div>
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<div>If I ran an SMTP relay for customers, I would tell customers not to use it... so there would be no record.</div>
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<div>Business should setup a $10 per month AWS instance in the US or Japan and relay email through that.</div>
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<div>My opinion is that if we don't offer the service, we can't actually log it or give the information over.</div>
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<div>On the other hand.. if they are asking us to intercept traffic to figure this stuff out... then I'd think there would be a much bigger problem.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 October 2014 11:54, David Beveridge <span><<a href="mailto:dave@bevhost.com">dave@bevhost.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<div dir="ltr">I don't know why you're so upset about this.
<div>They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.</div>
<div>It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of netflow history.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian <span><<a href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">I can just see the $$$$ now.....<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Andrew Yager<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:22 AM<br /><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing<span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></span></p>
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