<div dir="ltr">This is the part I think that many people are stretching too far.,<div>If I provide and ADSL service then I need to track the end points of that service eg IP address</div><div>If it's free wifi then I'm storing MAC Addresses</div><div>If it's a mail server then I track email addresses (and probably client IP)</div><div>If it's a SIP server, it needs to keep phone numbers and or SIP addresses,</div><div>if it's a mobile phone it needs to keep the phone numbers, cell towers and GPRS IP Addresses.</div><div>and so on..</div><div>And on that count I think this legislation will be the toughest on mobile phone providers.</div><div><br></div><div>It has been stated many times that the information being sought after is that which is already routinely stored by ISPs already.</div><div>The primary objective of the legislation is to ensure that ISPs keep this data for two years.</div><div><br></div><div>Since it is not routine for ISP to identify phone numbers dialled by skype clients or remote facebook chatters these things are not the communication endpoints unless you are skype of facebook.</div><div><br></div><div>I think what worries some is that netflow data is collected by some ISPs and if we were required to keep that for two years the costs would be enormous. The netflow data just from my house would be several terabytes in a year, so multiply that by the population of Australia and it becomes a ridiculous assertion that we should be required to store that much data.</div><div><br></div><div>Another big question I have, is if a business buys a VPS with cpanel on it, who is responsible for configuring the email log retention. Is it even required? Surely the owner of the VPS is providing a service to someone and is therefore the service provider in that case, but perhaps it depends on whether they sell it or not.</div><div><br></div><div>Starts to sound like the GST debate., If the birthday cake has candles on it then GST is payable on the candles but not the cake. bla bla bla.</div><div><br></div><div>dave</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Matt Perkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I would be interested to see paragraph
187A(4) of the act. It seems to indicate that <br>
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This item will only apply to the service provider operating the
relevant service: So does that mean we need to know who chatted to
who on facebook for example but facebook is the service provider
so they would be the people that would need to get the info. Not
the ISP. The ISP could not be expected to break an encryption do
get the info. <br>
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So im thinking a lot of this will be "who is the service provider"
. Is it skype, Is it facebook, Is it the guy providing the copper
? <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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On 30/10/2014 3:26 pm, Paul Julian wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think something more than a lay down is needed James </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
like 5 as well, I am now think that we will have it easy
compared to a mobile carrier, they will have to comply with
it all, NATT’ed IP’s across towers, logs of handovers as the
user moves from tower to tower, available bandwidth once
they change towers and how much the user used for down and
up at each tower, wow, seriously complicated and intensive
stuff I would think.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
who was it that said this isn’t anything to worry about ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>James Morgan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's
now (almost) a thing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
a particular fan of:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">5.
The type of communication or relevant service used in
connection with a communication<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice,
SMS, email, chat, forum, social media.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
just a little worried. What about web forums that have a
chat room? Or email services that have an instant messaging
component? Or social media that has a chat component?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think I need to lay down.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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