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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's the $100,000 question. The
answer is I need to pay a lawyer to find out and those costs will
either come out of the mouths of my family or be passed onto my
customers.<br>
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On 30/10/2014 3:42 pm, Andrew Yager wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEX38CN55uz4W_Q2iGhy+=ouTEuffzihVSpeX5Dsp6VUBThzGg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Or is service provider the CSP who terminated the
service?
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<div>Andrew<br>
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On Thursday, 30 October 2014, Matt Perkins <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>>
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<div>I would be interested to see paragraph 187A(4) of the
act. It seems to indicate that <br>
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This item will only apply to the service provider
operating the relevant service: So does that mean we need
to know who chatted to who on facebook for example but
facebook is the service provider so they would be the
people that would need to get the info. Not the ISP. The
ISP could not be expected to break an encryption do get
the info. <br>
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So im thinking a lot of this will be "who is the service
provider" . Is it skype, Is it facebook, Is it the guy
providing the copper ? <br>
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Matt.<br>
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On 30/10/2014 3:26 pm, Paul Julian wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think something more than a lay down is needed James
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
like 5 as well, I am now think that we will have it
easy compared to a mobile carrier, they will have to
comply with it all, NATT’ed IP’s across towers, logs
of handovers as the user moves from tower to tower,
available bandwidth once they change towers and how
much the user used for down and up at each tower,
wow, seriously complicated and intensive stuff I
would think.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
who was it that said this isn’t anything to worry
about ?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net');"
target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Morgan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata
retention... it's now (almost) a thing</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
a particular fan of:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">5.
The type of communication or relevant service used
in connection with a communication</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
following: (a) the type of communication; Examples:
Voice, SMS, email, chat, forum, social media.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
just a little worried. What about web forums that
have a chat room? Or email services that have an
instant messaging component? Or social media that
has a chat component?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think I need to lay down.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James.</span></p>
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/* Matt Perkins
Direct 1300 137 379 Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd.
Office 1300 133 299 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>
Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000
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