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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It’s concerning at how open to interpretation the retention rules seem to be. What entities are going to be required to collect this information? Are small
businesses going to have to keep email server logs? What about machine generated communications (e.g sms alerts or reminder emails)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Andrew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Morgan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m a particular fan of:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">5. The type of communication or relevant service used in connection with a communication<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice, SMS, email, chat, forum, social media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m just a little worried. What about web forums that have a chat room? Or email services that have an instant messaging component? Or social media that
has a chat component?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think I need to lay down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">James.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wow number 3 is a bit hard. How would we work out the destination of a skype call for example ?<br>
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Matt<br>
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On 30/10/2014 3:08 pm, Ben Cooper wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Draft Data set here: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014">http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looks like more than "just some IP addresses".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ross Wheeler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net" target="_blank">ausnog@rossw.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Matt Perkins wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That fact's seem to be that this legislation will pass without consultation outside the gang of 4 at least and there is little if anything we can do about it. So the conversion should really switch to. What technically do we need to do
to meet the requirements of the legislation or instruments. Can we clearly define that so people in our industry can work to a place where we can all provide the same information and be sure that we have not missed something that will cause grief down the
track.<o:p></o:p></p>
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My local federal member has just replied to me with (in part):<br>
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"Telecommunications companies will have up to two years to fully implement the scheme.<br>
To prevent any further erosion of data, industry will be required to at least maintain their current practices for holding data during<br>
the implementation period.<br>
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The Government is prepared to pay a reasonable share of upfront capital costs associated with the implementation of the data retention<br>
scheme."<br>
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So, despite their earlier "assurances" that there is no requirement to retain things like websites accessed etc, that is absolutely NOT preculuded as being a (subsequent) requirement, as has been said on this list earlier.<br>
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That is, this is absolutely "narrow end of the wedge" legislation, almost certainly subject to "feature creep" (or "scope expansion") over time.<br>
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There is a great deal we (the numerical majority) are not privy to. I suspect (some of) the "gang of 4" have a lot more specific information than the rest of us are permitted to know. The secrecy, haste and ignorance surrounding this entire thing scares me.
(I had written "astounds me" then changed it to "surprises me" but in honesty with the calibre of politician (and public servants) we have now (and have had for quite some time), it neither surprises nor astounds me).
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