<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>Bingo. It’s “thin edge of the wedge” legislation.</div><div><br></div><div>[b]</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Sam Silvester <<a href="mailto:sam.silvester@gmail.com">sam.silvester@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:42 am<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> David Beveridge <<a href="mailto:dave@bevhost.com">dave@bevhost.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">David, that isn't very comforting.<br><br>As it's defined by regulation, it's subject to change without further legislative oversight.<br><br>Also, I'm willing to bet it'll also include (for mobile providers) stuff like GPS location etc. It'll gradually scope creep out, just you watch.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:32 AM, David Beveridge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@bevhost.com" target="_blank">dave@bevhost.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I was listening to the parliament broadcast on the radio this morning and (boring I know)<div>but I definitely heard Malcolm say that we not be required to record the destination IP addresses that customers visit, only the source IP address mapping.</div><div>That is, we should be able to supply the account name of the customer who had the IP address at a given date and time.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not really sure where this leaves freewifi providers which have a multitude of unknown users behind a single IP.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Ben Cooper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben@zeno.io" target="_blank">ben@zeno.io</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Last I checked (90 minutes ago). They still have not set what data they want kept.<div><br></div><div>Reference: <a href="http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fems%2Fr5375_ems_e6cf11b4-5a4e-41bc-ae27-031e2b90e001%22" target="_blank">http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fems%2Fr5375_ems_e6cf11b4-5a4e-41bc-ae27-031e2b90e001%22</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, David Beveridge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@bevhost.com" target="_blank">dave@bevhost.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I don't know why you're so upset about this. <div>They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.</div><div>It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of netflow history.</div><div><br></div><div>dave</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@oxygennetworks.com.au" target="_blank">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This is total bullshit, these people just have no clue, is there nothing we can do as a community to try and stop this nonsense ?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I can just see the $$$$ now…..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Yager<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea" target="_blank">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrew<br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Andrew Yager, Managing Director</b> <i>MACS (Snr) CP BCompSc JNCIS-SP</i><br>Real World Technology Solutions Pty Ltd - IT people you can trust<br>ph: <a href="tel:1300%20798%20718" value="+611300798718" target="_blank">1300 798 718</a> or <a href="tel:%2802%29%209037%200500" value="+61290370500" target="_blank">(02) 9037 0500</a><br>fax: <a href="tel:%2802%29%209037%200591" value="+61290370591" target="_blank">(02) 9037 0591</a><br><a href="http://www.rwts.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.rwts.com.au/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________<br>
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