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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/10/2014 6:21 PM, Paul Wilkins
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        <div>It's an interesting point, though it seems the intent is to
          present data retention as a fait accompli.<br>
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        Brandis might not be the best point of contact. Turnbull would
        be best placed to answer what is planned by way of industry
        consultation:<br>
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    They evidently don't plan on having much, if any, industry
    consultation at this point.<br>
    Your objective by pointing out the more manifestly absurd things
    they might ask for is to sow sufficient doubt in their minds that
    they start to think they might need to have some more consultation
    in case what they have come up with is as crap as everyone is
    telling them, and is unenforceable by a court, and they hear that
    from sufficient people.<br>
    Even the most rabid politician doesn't want the embarrassing news
    headlines if a court throws out the first test-case.<br>
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    It might not have any effect whatsoever - but its more productive
    than only posting here!<br>
    Pick up the phone and call them - if the switchboard is clogged,
    that sends a message.<br>
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    Paul.<br>
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        <p> <strong>Malcolm's Office</strong><br>
          Ground Floor, 287-289 New South Head Rd<br>
          Edgecliff, NSW, 2027</p>
        <p> Postal Address<br>
          PO Box 545,<br>
          Edgecliff, NSW 2027</p>
        <p> Tel: 02 9327 3988<br>
          Fax: 02 9327 2533</p>
        <p> Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:malcolm.turnbull.mp@aph.gov.au">malcolm.turnbull.mp@aph.gov.au</a></p>
        <p> <strong>Parliament House Contact</strong><br>
          PO Box 6022, House of Representatives<br>
          Parliament House, Canberra, ACT 2600</p>
        <p> Tel: 02 6277 7480<br>
          Fax: 02 6277 3776</p>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 October 2014 18:00, Paul
                  Brooks <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        <div>On 30/10/2014 3:18 PM, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
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                              <div>"The government is yet to define
                                metadata, with Attorney-General George
                                Brandis <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/george-brandis-metadata-interview-fails-spectacularly-internet-reacts/story-fnjwnhzf-1227016188974"
                                  target="_blank">"failing
                                  spectacularly" at an explanation on
                                  Sky News</a>, though it's expected the
                                introduced bill will spell that out. Mr
                                Brandis had said the government wanted
                                telcos to store "web addresses" under
                                the scheme, but this was later
                                contradicted by Communications Minister
                                Malcolm Turnbull who ruled it out."<br>
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                              "Metadata" could be anything. Specifics
                              would be useful before the bill is passed,
                              if that's not asking too much.<br>
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                            Paul Wilkins<br>
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                      </span> Paul - you are asking the wrong forum.
                      Send a request to Sen. Brandis & the Minister
                      for the specifics - they have them, the AusNOG
                      community doesn't yet.<br>
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                      Better still, if everyone sent a request for the
                      specifics, highlighting your own aspect of the
                      suspected specifics that could not be complied
                      with (Skype destination, or email details if you
                      don't run an email server, or any of the other
                      things that has been griped about on this
                      list).......<br>
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                      <h2>Contact details</h2>
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                        <h3>Parliament Office</h3>
                        <p> PO Box 6100<br>
                          Senate<br>
                          Parliament House<br>
                          Canberra ACT 2600 </p>
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                          <dt>Telephone:</dt>
                          <dd>(02) 6277 7300</dd>
                          <dt>Fax:</dt>
                          <dd>(02) 6273 4102</dd>
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                        <h3>Electorate Office </h3>
                        <p>(Principal Office)</p>
                        <p> 349 Sandgate Road<br>
                          Albion, QLD, 4010 </p>
                        <p> <u>Postal address</u> <br>
                          PO Box 143<br>
                          Albion DC, QLD, 4010 </p>
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                          <dt>Telephone:</dt>
                          <dd>(07) 3862 4044</dd>
                          <dt>Fax:</dt>
                          <dd>(07) 3862 4244</dd>
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                        <h3>Connect with George Brandis</h3>
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                          <dt>Email</dt>
                          <dd><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="mailto:senator.brandis@aph.gov.au"
                              target="_blank">senator.brandis@aph.gov.au</a></dd>
                          <dt>Websites</dt>
                          <dd><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.liberal.org.au/"
                              target="_blank">Party website</a></dd>
                          <dd><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx"
                              target="_blank">Ministerial home page</a></dd>
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                        <h3>Alternative URL</h3>
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                            href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Senator_Brandis"
                            target="_blank">www.aph.gov.au/Senator_Brandis</a></p>
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