Or is service provider the CSP who terminated the service?<div><br></div><div>Andrew<br><br>On Thursday, 30 October 2014, Matt Perkins <<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I would be interested to see paragraph
187A(4) of the act. It seems to indicate that <br>
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This item will only apply to the service provider operating the
relevant service: So does that mean we need to know who chatted to
who on facebook for example but facebook is the service provider
so they would be the people that would need to get the info. Not
the ISP. The ISP could not be expected to break an encryption do
get the info. <br>
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So im thinking a lot of this will be "who is the service provider"
. Is it skype, Is it facebook, Is it the guy providing the copper
? <br>
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Matt.<br>
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On 30/10/2014 3:26 pm, Paul Julian wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think something more than a lay down is needed James </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
like 5 as well, I am now think that we will have it easy
compared to a mobile carrier, they will have to comply with
it all, NATT’ed IP’s across towers, logs of handovers as the
user moves from tower to tower, available bandwidth once
they change towers and how much the user used for down and
up at each tower, wow, seriously complicated and intensive
stuff I would think.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
who was it that said this isn’t anything to worry about ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>James Morgan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's
now (almost) a thing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
a particular fan of:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">5.
The type of communication or relevant service used in
connection with a communication<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice,
SMS, email, chat, forum, social media.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
just a little worried. What about web forums that have a
chat room? Or email services that have an instant messaging
component? Or social media that has a chat component?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think I need to lay down.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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