Or is service provider the CSP who terminated the service?<div><br></div><div>Andrew<br><br>On Thursday, 30 October 2014, Matt Perkins <<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>I would be interested to see paragraph
      187A(4) of the act.  It seems to indicate that <br>
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      This item will only apply to the service provider operating the
      relevant service: So does that mean we need to know who chatted to
      who on facebook for example but facebook is the service provider
      so they would be the people that would need to get the info. Not
      the ISP. The ISP could not be expected to break an encryption do
      get the info. <br>
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      So im thinking a lot of this will be "who is the service provider"
      .  Is it skype, Is it facebook, Is it the guy providing the copper
      ? <br>
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      Matt.<br>
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      On 30/10/2014 3:26 pm, Paul Julian wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            think something more than a lay down is needed James </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            like 5 as well, I am now think that we will have it easy
            compared to a mobile carrier, they will have to comply with
            it all, NATT’ed IP’s across towers, logs of handovers as the
            user moves from tower to tower, available bandwidth once
            they change towers and how much the user used for down and
            up at each tower, wow, seriously complicated and intensive
            stuff I would think.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
            who was it that said this isn’t anything to worry about ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
                [<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf
                  Of </b>James Morgan<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:21 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's
                now (almost) a thing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
            a particular fan of:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">5.
            The type of communication or relevant service used in
            connection with a communication<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
            following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice,
            SMS, email, chat, forum, social media.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
            just a little worried.  What about web forums that have a
            chat room?  Or email services that have an instant messaging
            component?  Or social media that has a chat component?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            think I need to lay down.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">James.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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