I think the issue is very much that it's unknown what the requirement is. Until we can see the legislation it's hard to make any assessments as to the level of data required to be retained, and any unintended implications of the wording.<div><br></div><div>I certainly am expecting some significant "stings" in the tail from poorly worded legislation, but would be pleasantly surprised to see it being exactly what Malcolm has said.</div><div><br></div><div>Free WiFi is obviously one area I'm very keen to see their input on.</div><div><br></div><div><span></span>It's also clear from the news article that iiNet certainly also believe the jury is still out on data to be collected.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br>On Thursday, 30 October 2014, David Beveridge <<a href="mailto:dave@bevhost.com">dave@bevhost.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I was listening to the parliament broadcast on the radio this morning and (boring I know)<div>but I definitely heard Malcolm say that we not be required to record the destination IP addresses that customers visit, only the source IP address mapping.</div><div>That is, we should be able to supply the account name of the customer who had the IP address at a given date and time.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not really sure where this leaves freewifi providers which have a multitude of unknown users behind a single IP.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Ben Cooper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ben@zeno.io');" target="_blank">ben@zeno.io</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Last I checked (90 minutes ago). They still have not set what data they want kept.<div><br></div><div>Reference: <a href="http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fems%2Fr5375_ems_e6cf11b4-5a4e-41bc-ae27-031e2b90e001%22" target="_blank">http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fems%2Fr5375_ems_e6cf11b4-5a4e-41bc-ae27-031e2b90e001%22</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, David Beveridge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dave@bevhost.com');" target="_blank">dave@bevhost.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I don't know why you're so upset about this. <div>They're only asking you to keep radius and smtp logs.</div><div>It's not like you're being asked to keep two years worth of netflow history.</div><div><br></div><div>dave</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Paul Julian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul@oxygennetworks.com.au');" target="_blank">paul@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This is total bullshit, these people just have no clue, is there nothing we can do as a community to try and stop this nonsense ?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I can just see the $$$$ now…..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Yager<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 October 2014 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea" target="_blank">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/turnbull-to-rush-metadata-retention-legislation-through-parliament/story-e6frg90f-1227106806266?nk=72104b22405c826c296d068859fd4bea</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrew<br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Andrew Yager, Managing Director</b> <i>MACS (Snr) CP BCompSc JNCIS-SP</i><br>Real World Technology Solutions Pty Ltd - IT people you can trust<br>ph: <a href="tel:1300%20798%20718" value="+611300798718" target="_blank">1300 798 718</a> or <a href="tel:%2802%29%209037%200500" value="+61290370500" target="_blank">(02) 9037 0500</a><br>fax: <a href="tel:%2802%29%209037%200591" value="+61290370591" target="_blank">(02) 9037 0591</a><br><a href="http://www.rwts.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.rwts.com.au/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________<br>
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