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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Wow number 3 is a bit hard. How would
we work out the destination of a skype call for example ?<br>
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On 30/10/2014 3:08 pm, Ben Cooper wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Draft Data set here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014">http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014</a>
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<div>Looks like more than "just some IP addresses".</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ross
Wheeler <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net" target="_blank">ausnog@rossw.net</a>></span>
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Matt Perkins wrote:<br>
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That fact's seem to be that this legislation will pass
without consultation outside the gang of 4 at least and
there is little if anything we can do about it. So the
conversion should really switch to. What technically do
we need to do to meet the requirements of the
legislation or instruments. Can we clearly define that
so people in our industry can work to a place where we
can all provide the same information and be sure that we
have not missed something that will cause grief down the
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My local federal member has just replied to me with (in
part):<br>
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"Telecommunications companies will have up to two years to
fully implement the scheme.<br>
To prevent any further erosion of data, industry will be
required to at least maintain their current practices for
holding data during<br>
the implementation period.<br>
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The Government is prepared to pay a reasonable share of
upfront capital costs associated with the implementation of
the data retention<br>
scheme."<br>
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So, despite their earlier "assurances" that there is no
requirement to retain things like websites accessed etc,
that is absolutely NOT preculuded as being a (subsequent)
requirement, as has been said on this list earlier.<br>
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That is, this is absolutely "narrow end of the wedge"
legislation, almost certainly subject to "feature creep" (or
"scope expansion") over time.<br>
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There is a great deal we (the numerical majority) are not
privy to. I suspect (some of) the "gang of 4" have a lot
more specific information than the rest of us are permitted
to know. The secrecy, haste and ignorance surrounding this
entire thing scares me. (I had written "astounds me" then
changed it to "surprises me" but in honesty with the calibre
of politician (and public servants) we have now (and have
had for quite some time), it neither surprises nor astounds
me).
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