<div dir="ltr">Being you said its 500Mbit of traffic from You -> TPG, and you can probably control which IX fabric to feed it into, can you just feed it into another state where TPG isnt so congested...? Obviously far from ideal.... but 20~ms of latency is probably more preferably than link congestion... yea?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jared Hirst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#000000">Yeah the issue is that there is a multi level of complaints flooding in, sure we can route around it to say Vocus or someone BUT they would then try and just push it back through their PIPE peering to TPG.... so I am paying for it to go via a transit provider to only have it sent back into the PIPE peering.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#000000">I am sure we can make some communities and traffic magic happen, but that's all pointless when I am paying TPG for their PIPE peering port? So why should I be penalised by them having a congested port when I am paying to send them traffic anyway?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#000000">Regardless of the costs here, I just need to get the issues resolved, I have so many complaints and customers are generally un-happy, they simply blame us for everything.</div><font face="yw-38d9caf855b5e04dc775b39cc0ede35018e8528d-926e8b14309853a1921c4fb07d88f85c--o"></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
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What's even more interesting is that Jared wants to resolve a problem for - who exactly ? Does it end up being that he's a content provider and thus the eyeballs in question (gaming or otherwise) are worth $$ to him ? In which case the discussion heads in a particular direction. Or are the users in question not actually his users (they're TPG's) and at which point why would you care (business wise - I understand why everyone cares from a good 'net perspective). Isn't this the marketplace at work ?<br>
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The answers to whose customers...everyones, really.<br>
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You have the EU -> ISP arrangement, the EU -> Content Owner arrangement, and Content Owner -> Content Hoster [SAU in this case].<br>
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The EU would get the blame game from ISP to Content Owner, Content Owner would receive the complaint and likely forward to Content Hoster, Content Hoster has identified the problem as a TPG ingress point, something he has no control over, so has no choice but to blame it back to TPG.<br>
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To his credit, he is actually trying to resolve the issue directly to stop the viscous cycle of blame.<br>
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It's a hard spot to be in.<div><div><br>
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