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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So some of these guys are eating up the 20G IX link and smaller providers are to suffer.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.eg go buy transit or reroute traffic…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This whole thing is #*$&##..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TPG dropped out of other IX’s to force providers to stay/switch to pipe IX <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now the TPG port in pipe IX is maxed and nothing is being done to fix it…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hmmm… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathan Sullivan<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 22 October 2014 11:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Ricks<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] TPG Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Top candidates for high traffic into PIPE NSW at the flatline period:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>LLNW/Limelight<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cloudflare<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>CDNetworks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chime/iiNet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>ABC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Amazon/AWS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Akamai<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mostly CDN content, not sure if any of them have a better path or not. They would probably all be getting impacted for that short flatline period right now also, in terms of TPG's customers not getting optimal performance from their CDN edge nodes.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Nathan Sullivan <<a href="mailto:nathan@nightsys.net" target="_blank">nathan@nightsys.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>That 9pm mark on the PIPE QLD/NSW/VIC graphs really does look hot. I wonder if its only a Gig port in QLD/VIC also, being it touches that mark...? Obviously a flatline at 20 on the NSW graph.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You almost need a large peer to de-pref some stuff from PIPE IX to free up some of TPGs capacity if they won't do it... and hopefully if your lucky make it more expensive for TPG in the process to receive it :) Then maybe the 20Gbit port will get bumped.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Chris Ricks <<a href="mailto:chris.ricks@securepay.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ricks@securepay.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>If the issue is due to port congestion, other members of the IX should be seeing the same problem shouldn't they? Is anyone else complaining<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>"Jared Hirst" <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Nathan Sullivan" <<a href="mailto:nathan@nightsys.net" target="_blank">nathan@nightsys.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 22 October, 2014 11:22:21 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] TPG Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'>Yeah we are doing that with some traffic, but for gamers this is not ideal.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Nathan Sullivan <<a href="mailto:nathan@nightsys.net" target="_blank">nathan@nightsys.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Being you said its 500Mbit of traffic from You -> TPG, and you can probably control which IX fabric to feed it into, can you just feed it into another state where TPG isnt so congested...? Obviously far from ideal.... but 20~ms of latency is probably more preferably than link congestion... yea?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'>Yeah the issue is that there is a multi level of complaints flooding in, sure we can route around it to say Vocus or someone BUT they would then try and just push it back through their PIPE peering to TPG.... so I am paying for it to go via a transit provider to only have it sent back into the PIPE peering.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'>I am sure we can make some communities and traffic magic happen, but that's all pointless when I am paying TPG for their PIPE peering port? So why should I be penalised by them having a congested port when I am paying to send them traffic anyway?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:black'>Regardless of the costs here, I just need to get the issues resolved, I have so many complaints and customers are generally un-happy, they simply blame us for everything.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Joseph Goldman <<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>What's even more interesting is that Jared wants to resolve a problem for - who exactly ? Does it end up being that he's a content provider and thus the eyeballs in question (gaming or otherwise) are worth $$ to him ? In which case the discussion heads in a particular direction. Or are the users in question not actually his users (they're TPG's) and at which point why would you care (business wise - I understand why everyone cares from a good 'net perspective). Isn't this the marketplace at work ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>The answers to whose customers...everyones, really.<br><br> You have the EU -> ISP arrangement, the EU -> Content Owner arrangement, and Content Owner -> Content Hoster [SAU in this case].<br><br><br> The EU would get the blame game from ISP to Content Owner, Content Owner would receive the complaint and likely forward to Content Hoster, Content Hoster has identified the problem as a TPG ingress point, something he has no control over, so has no choice but to blame it back to TPG.<br><br> To his credit, he is actually trying to resolve the issue directly to stop the viscous cycle of blame.<br><br> It's a hard spot to be in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:30.0pt 7.5pt 30.0pt 7.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><h1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#20487A;font-weight:normal'>Jared Hirst<o:p></o:p></span></h1><h6 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:0cm'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#686868;font-weight:normal'>Chief Executive Officer<o:p></o:p></span></h6></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:30.0pt 7.5pt 30.0pt 7.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p style='margin-top:0cm;line-height:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#535353'>Office Address:</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#737373'> 2/2 Teamster Close, Tuggerah NSW 2259 <br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#535353'>Postal Address:</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#737373'> PO Box 3187, Tuggerah NSW 2259 <br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#535353'>Phone:</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#737373'> <a href="tel:%2B61%202%208115%208801" target="_blank">+61 2 8115 8801</a> | Network Ops: <a href="tel:%2B61%202%208115%208850" target="_blank">+61 2 8115 8850</a> | Main Switch: <a href="tel:%2B61%202%208115%208888" target="_blank">+61 2 8115 8888</a> <br></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#535353'>Web:</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#737373'> <a href="http://www.serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">www.serversaustralia.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt 7.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width=100 style='width:75.0pt;border:none;border-right:solid #7599CF 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://serversaustralia.com.au/" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=90 height=90 id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://www.mysau.com.au/template/images/signature-images/sau-logo.png" alt="Servers Australia - 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