<div dir="ltr">If you're scared about press articles, what about the obligatory "A 12-YEAR OLD CIRCUMVENTS WEB FILTERING ON <x> PUBLIC WIFI SERVICE"?<br><br>At that point, it looks like you've tried and failed - what's the damage to your reputation look like for that vs. not trying and therefore not being in a position to fail the teenager test?<div><br></div><div>Sam</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Are we talking legally here? Perhaps not... but since when has that mattered in the press?<div><br></div><div>My general advice to customers is that with free wifi (public areas), you filter it... Paid wifi (hotels, etc), you leave it alone - unless there is a specific reason.</div><div><br></div><div>I've built the public wifi internet access for a lot of organisations, but some, especially councils are very susceptible to negative media coverage should someone use their infrastructure to do bad things. They don't want to be seen as a facilitator for bomb making, hard core porn, violence, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>My recommendations for any free wifi is the McDonalds model... The web is all you get (http/https)... anything else is blocked. Then you are limited by time/volume over a certain period. If you don't do this, your service WILL be abused without any doubts.</div><div><br></div><div>I've sat there looking at the logs of the filtering servers at the violations that pop up on public wifi... child porn, hate sites, gambling and so on.</div><div><br></div><div>To make it clear - I don't care what anyone does on the web, and if people are paying for it, do what you like within the law.</div><div><br></div><div>But if you are facilitating easy access, and don't want your local/state/national media coming up with headlines like "10 year old looks at porn via council free public wifi" or the many other possible variations, then you best be deciding on your policy for what you filter, and openly stating it in the T&C's... users have no rights when it is a free service as there is no implied understanding of a product.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div><div><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" value="+61414753383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; <a>skype://skeeve</a></p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><br></p><p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><img src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><br></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p></font></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper - Cisco </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Cloud</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Consulting</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- IPv4 Brokering</span></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><span class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2014 00:39, Mark Newton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
On 8 Oct, 2014, at 11:33 am, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> In my view, Filtering in this scenario is less about what the user can access, but more about the liability on the provider.<br>
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There is no liability on the provider, you're a god-damned carriage service provider. That's supposed to mean something.<br>
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If you're going to spin that line (especially when it's combined with product spruiking) then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be able to provide at least one example of an adverse judgement against a carriage service provider for content which might have been filtered being accessed unfiltered over a public access network.<br>
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Whassamadda, you can't? Dawww.<br>
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