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    I'm not a good example as I don't have a lot of path diversity or
    heavy traffic - but between PIPE IX and Megaport IX (Megaport being
    locally preferred, and PIPE having their AS in the middle so return
    path is usually shorter via megaport), I do a good 100-130mbit in on
    Megaport vs about 10-20mbit in on PIPE in peak times.<br>
    <br>
    I specifically peer with Google and Cloudflare over Megaport to be
    sure their traffic sticks to that ingress point. A lot of my
    Megaport traffic appears to be Google.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/10/14 13:28, Skeeve Stevens
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAEUfUGP+VtPu4edf2O=fb94APzvT0b9XHff12=koaBcOMZuTuA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Any traffic breakdown?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Routes are one thing.. but routes don't always equal
          traffic.</div>
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          <div dir="ltr">
            <div><br>
              ...Skeeve</div>
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              <div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve
                  Stevens - </b><span
                  style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego
                  Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
              <div>
                <div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com"
                      target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/"
                      target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font>
                    <p
                      style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Phone:
                      1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true">skype://skeeve</a></p>
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                    <p style="margin:0px"><span
style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The
                        Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)"><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper -
                    Cisco </span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Cloud</span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">-
                    Consulting</span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px"> </span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- IPv4
                    Brokering</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 1 October 2014 13:24, Tom Berryman <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Tom@connectivityit.com.au" target="_blank">Tom@connectivityit.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
                    NSW presently:</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Equinix
                    - 11609</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">NSW-IX
                    - 7967</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Megaport
                    – 4495</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">--we
                    don’t have PIPE there.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">NSW-IX
                    sees the highest inbound for us by about 200% over
                    the next.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tom</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    name="148c9bcb9ca77e1d__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></a></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
                    lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                      target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 October 2014 12:20 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net"
                      target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a>;
                    Joshua Munro; Belinda Flanders<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] PIPE NSW Changing
                    Details</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">*BAM!*</p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Go Megaport.</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">$250 peering only (1Gb)</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">$500 peering + VxC capability
                      (10Gb)</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">News worthy day!</p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I wonder how long till Pipe
                      Peering dies... most networks we run have
                      disconnected from it... Megaport and EQ cover most
                      things.  I hear IX is good, but not had the
                      opportunity to connect up someone yet... will
                      soon.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">I'd love to see a route
                      differential between all 4 on a state by state.. I
                      wonder if someone could do a snapshot analysis.
                      I'm most interested in NSW.</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I'd like to see what is and
                      isn't on each peering.</p>
                  </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
                  </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                          ...Skeeve</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve
                                Stevens - </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellego
                              Networks Pty Ltd</span></p>
                        </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com"
                                  target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/"
                                  target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span></p>
                            <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phone:
                                1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383
                                ; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a></span></p>
                            <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
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                                  target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a
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                                  target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </span></p>
                            <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><img
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                                  border="0"></span></p>
                            <p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f">The
                                Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper
                                - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4
                                Brokering</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f"></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 1 October 2014 12:15, Bevan
                      Slattery <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au"
                        target="_blank">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>>
                      wrote:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">To make life easy as of
                            today we are doing a 1Gbps IX only port for
                            $250/month no contract, no membership, no
                            install.  Also will have a number of major
                            content providers coming on net in next 30
                            days which would mean there won't be much
                            that's not on either.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Agree that it's time to
                            switch :)</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
                            <br>
                            [b]</p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                            On 1 Oct 2014, at 11:42 am, Craig Askings
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:craig@askings.com.au"
                              target="_blank">craig@askings.com.au</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Does PIPE-IX even
                                offer a worthwhile product anymore?
                                Since an IX’s value is in it’s peers and
                                it’s ability to connect them. Who is
                                left on PIPE IX that isn’t available on
                                Megaport and IX-AU? How many clients are
                                going to be exiting over the next 24
                                months as their contracts expire?</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 1 Oct 2014, at
                                    11:29 am, Bob Woolley <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:boblobsta@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">boblobsta@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">PIPE has
                                        absolutely gone to crap.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Just shy of 4
                                        weeks since our issue on QLD-IX
                                        and they are still trying to
                                        figure out how to make the TPG
                                        router on QLD-IX perform basic
                                        ARP functions (I only mention
                                        this as this job is being
                                        directly managed by PIPE).</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I don't know
                                        about you guys but if we had an
                                        ARP issue on a router for more
                                        than a few minutes I would be
                                        highly embarrassed.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">IX-AU A++</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Megaport A++</p>
                                    </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Bob W</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 1 October
                                        2014 11:18, Sam Silvester <<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:sam.silvester@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">sam.silvester@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:</p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">+1 to
                                            what John said.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            This kind of thing leads to
                                            my personal view that that
                                            PIPE IX isn't really a thing
                                            any longer, what with other
                                            IXes actually offering
                                            customer service that allows
                                            you to get on with the job.</p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at
                                                  10:09 AM, John Lindsay
                                                  <<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" target="_blank">johnslindsay@mac.com</a>>
                                                  wrote:</p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Which
                                                    means your
                                                    work-around is more
                                                    likely to cause
                                                    their fabric to
                                                    break later when
                                                    your old box is
                                                    recycled by someone
                                                    else. Change control
                                                    policy as substitute
                                                    for customer service
                                                    is actually just
                                                    crap customer
                                                    service.<br>
                                                    <span
                                                      style="color:#888888"><br>
                                                      John Lindsay</span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                      > On 1 Oct
                                                      2014, at 10:21 am,
                                                      Brad Gould <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bradley@internode.com.au"
                                                        target="_blank">bradley@internode.com.au</a>>
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > My
                                                      understanding is
                                                      that this is all
                                                      about their change
                                                      control policy.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > Change the
                                                      MAC on your router
                                                      and book a window
                                                      to change it back
                                                      to the native MAC
                                                      when Pipe can get
                                                      their process
                                                      sorted.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > Brad<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      ><br>
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                                                      On Behalf Of Chris
                                                      Chaundy<br>
                                                      > Sent:
                                                      Wednesday, 1
                                                      October 2014 09:36<br>
                                                      > To: Joseph
                                                      Goldman<br>
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                                                      > Subject: Re:
                                                      [AusNOG] PIPE NSW
                                                      Changing Details<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > Dependent on
                                                      your make of
                                                      router, it may
                                                      just be easier to
                                                      change the MAC
                                                      address for the
                                                      interface on the
                                                      new router to
                                                      match the old
                                                      router's one.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > Sent from my
                                                      iPhone<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      >> On 1 Oct
                                                      2014, at 9:15,
                                                      Joseph Goldman
                                                      <<a
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                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >> Hi list,<br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >> I am just
                                                      wondering if this
                                                      is normal - trying
                                                      to change MAC
                                                      address for router
                                                      port after urgent
                                                      change-over for
                                                      our PIPE peering
                                                      connection in NSW,
                                                      request was sent
                                                      through to the
                                                      MACD team but they
                                                      are telling me the
                                                      request needs to
                                                      be approved by
                                                      their management
                                                      and ETA is 3-5
                                                      business days??<br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >> I'm not a
                                                      massive user of
                                                      PIPE IX but I have
                                                      now been without
                                                      it for 24 hours
                                                      and its looking
                                                      like it could be
                                                      another 48-72
                                                      hours before
                                                      getting it back!
                                                      For someone who
                                                      might get a LOT of
                                                      their traffic via
                                                      PIPE IX this would
                                                      be a pretty bad
                                                      amount of
                                                      downtime, as other
                                                      transit links
                                                      would have to pick
                                                      up the slack.<br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >> If any
                                                      PIPE engineers on
                                                      list willing to
                                                      help the request
                                                      move a little
                                                      quicker I'd
                                                      appreciate it.<br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >> Thanks,<br>
                                                      >> Joe<br>
                                                      >>
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