<div dir="ltr">This is only valid if you accept that the operation of a network is entirely divorced from the regulatory frameworks that govern operating networks. I don't. Neither do many others. Neither EFA nor ISOC have more than a peripheral interest in the rights of network operators to advocate for their freedom to conduct business according to their business' interests. That's on the operators themselves, or rather it's currently a wholly unmet responsibility and therefore the role that network operators play in the operation of their networks will be defined by the attorney general, the director general of ASIO and the commissioners of the Australian Federal Police, according to their business' interests.<div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Mark ZZZ Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think you've forgotten what the AusNOG acronym stands for or forgotten what is in the charter - it's the Australian Network *O*perator's *G*roup. It's fundamentally a technical group.<br>
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> From: Geordie Guy <<a href="mailto:elomis@gmail.com">elomis@gmail.com</a>><br>
>To: Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
>Cc: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
>Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014, 18:05<br>
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] George Brandis - Be Warned<br>
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>On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>George Brandis - I hope you read this and understand.<br>
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>>The following article is an example of what we, the tech industry WILL do if you persist on trying to control the Internet, in Australia or anywhere else.<br>
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>The state of the Australian network operator community is such that Brandis is quite sure, if he has an IQ above room temperature, that he can do literally anything he likes to the community and industry and in response he'll get someone who is community and society minded issuing a call to arms to the AusNOG list that will be met with between 1 and 3 people complaining that the email doesn't contain a traceroute pertaining to a specific, current routing issue where someone going via a peer is getting a packet or two dropped and want to know if other people using the same peering have the same problem.<br>
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>If you want to issue threats to politicians who are expediting the ISP and carrier industry into a collection of Australian businesses whose primary business models are issuing copyright infringement notices, wholesale aggregating and delivering user metadata and policing what websites their customers can access in the lens of current government policy about what people should do, you might want to check that the industry gives a proverbial.<br>
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>Every attempt at engaging the AusNOG community to care about these issues falls on the deaf ears of operators that just want to get through their shift and have convinced themselves that other people will sort it out if there's a genuine problem.<br>
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>Skeeve if you ever want to work with someone to oppose this sort of stuff contact me directly. There's two of us, we can find more offlist.<br>
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