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      And Jetstar to Qantas.<br>
      <br>
      There are many examples of a brand creating a different 'low cost'
      brand so they could chase a different demographic to their normal
      market segment, without trashing the original brand's reputation
      or expectations for quality or higher service levels etc.<br>
      You might as well ask 'How does Jetstar differ materially from
      Qantas' - quite a lot!<br>
      <br>
      The inverse happens too -  Toyota created Lexus as a premium brand
      to chase an up-market market segment to their normal
      customer-base.<br>
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      P.<br>
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      On 18/09/2014 11:41 AM, Andrew Cox wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">This seems like the same sort of thing as iiNet's
        "Jiva" brand - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://www.jiva.com.au/">https://www.jiva.com.au/</a>
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        <div>- Andrew</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2014 02:01, Skeeve
          Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            <div dir="ltr">:)  This is what happens when you don't see
              advertising.
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              <div>So, how do they materially differ from Bigpond?</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2014 00:33,
                    Brad Peczka <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You're
                      very, very late to the party.<br>
                      <br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/361446,telstra-launches-low-cost-isp.aspx"
                        target="_blank">http://www.itnews.com.au/News/361446,telstra-launches-low-cost-isp.aspx</a><br>
                      <br>
                      As for the branding - the Telstra brand still has
                      a lot of pull, especially among the older
                      generation(s), and if you can get 'Powered by
                      Telstra' at x% of the cost of Telstra...<br>
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                      Regards,<br>
                      -Brad.<br>
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                      Subject: [AusNOG] Belong - Powered by Telstra<br>
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                      As I don't watch FTA and don't see adverts often,
                      maybe I am late to the party on this.<br>
                      <br>
                      I'm at a hotel and seeing a lot of repeated
                      adverts for "Belong, powered by Telstra"<br>
                      <br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://www.belong.com.au/"
                        target="_blank">https://www.belong.com.au/</a><br>
                      <br>
                      The website has a certificate from Telstra and
                      says its Telstra service at the bottom.<br>
                      <br>
                      So, how is this different from Bigpond?<br>
                      <br>
                      They say they are month-by-month contracts and do
                      NBN, etc etc.<br>
                      <br>
                      Just weird... I mean, if you are trying to
                      differentiate yourself from Telstra - then why
                      tell everyone you are powered by Telstra... seems
                      pointless?<br>
                      <br>
                      Thoughts?<br>
                      <br>
                      ...Skeeve<br>
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