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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">To go further off topic. ;)<br>
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      LEXUS<br>
      Limited Edition eXport to the U.S.<br>
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      Ask a lot of people now, and they will look down at Toyota
      products as cheap junk.  doh!<br>
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      Yep, tel$tra brand still carries a lot of weight in the market,
      especially to those who bought their shares years ago.<br>
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      Paul Brooks said the following on 18/09/2014 12:26 PM:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The inverse happens too -  Toyota
        created Lexus as a premium brand to chase an up-market market
        segment to their normal customer-base.<br>
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        P.<br>
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        On 18/09/2014 11:41 AM, Andrew Cox wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">This seems like the same sort of thing as iiNet's
          "Jiva" brand - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://www.jiva.com.au/">https://www.jiva.com.au/</a>
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          <div>- Andrew</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2014 02:01, Skeeve
            Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com"
                target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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              <div dir="ltr">:)  This is what happens when you don't see
                advertising.
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                <div>So, how do they materially differ from Bigpond?</div>
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                      ...Skeeve</div>
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                        <div><b
                            style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve

                            Stevens - </b><span
                            style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego

                            Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On 18 September 2014 00:33,
                      Brad Peczka <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:brad@bradpeczka.com"
                          target="_blank">brad@bradpeczka.com</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
                        0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                        solid;padding-left:1ex">You're very, very late
                        to the party.<br>
                        <br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/361446,telstra-launches-low-cost-isp.aspx"
                          target="_blank">http://www.itnews.com.au/News/361446,telstra-launches-low-cost-isp.aspx</a><br>
                        <br>
                        As for the branding - the Telstra brand still
                        has a lot of pull, especially among the older
                        generation(s), and if you can get 'Powered by
                        Telstra' at x% of the cost of Telstra...<br>
                        <br>
                        Regards,<br>
                        -Brad.<br>
                        ________________________________________<br>
                        From: AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                          target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                        On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens [<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com"
                          target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>]<br>
                        Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:25 PM<br>
                        To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
                          target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
                        Subject: [AusNOG] Belong - Powered by Telstra<br>
                        <br>
                        As I don't watch FTA and don't see adverts
                        often, maybe I am late to the party on this.<br>
                        <br>
                        I'm at a hotel and seeing a lot of repeated
                        adverts for "Belong, powered by Telstra"<br>
                        <br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://www.belong.com.au/"
                          target="_blank">https://www.belong.com.au/</a><br>
                        <br>
                        The website has a certificate from Telstra and
                        says its Telstra service at the bottom.<br>
                        <br>
                        So, how is this different from Bigpond?<br>
                        <br>
                        They say they are month-by-month contracts and
                        do NBN, etc etc.<br>
                        <br>
                        Just weird... I mean, if you are trying to
                        differentiate yourself from Telstra - then why
                        tell everyone you are powered by Telstra...
                        seems pointless?<br>
                        <br>
                        Thoughts?<br>
                        <br>
                        ...Skeeve<br>
                        <br>
                        Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br>
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