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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">There is an upside to this one (Don't
      know about Daniel's case).<br>
      Most of this discussion is of a technical nature and maybe helpful
      to Operators generally.<br>
      <br>
      Besides it's a heck of a lot better than the p_ss and moan session
      we had earlier in the week about Conroy / Turnbull etc and related
      conspiracy theories!<br>
      <br>
       - G.<br>
      <br>
      On 12/09/2014 1:45 PM, Noel Butler wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:f566bc0d3bc039008d0e94c8919e6e3f@ausics.net"
      type="cite">
      <p>Another end user problem, wonder why no one here is a quick to
        state this as they are with Daniel...</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>On 12/09/2014 12:10, Beeson, Ayden wrote:</p>
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              font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;
              mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Yep, I’m not planning to
              change it until I’ve run out of other ideas, but it is in
              reserve </span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
              font-family: Wingdings; color: #1f497d;
              mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">J</span><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Thanks,<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Ayden
                Beeson<em> </em></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"><!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:
                    11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:
                    windowtext;">From:</span></strong><span
                  style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:
                  'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: windowtext;"> AusNOG
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <strong>On
                    Behalf Of </strong>Guy Ellis<br>
                  <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, 12 September 2014 11:34
                  AM<br>
                  <strong>To:</strong> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                  <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [AusNOG] Strange ADSL
                  problem - troubleshooting / diagnosis advice wanted<!-- o ignored --></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Since your error counters are clean,
              and have stable line sync (I think), changing the ADSL
              firmware might just confuse the matter?<br>
              I think your problem is at a higher layer - Wireshark is
              your friend ;-)<br>
              <br>
               - G.<br>
              <br>
              On 12/09/2014 11:25 AM, Beeson, Ayden wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;
                mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Yep good point, it’s been
                so long since I messed with it I always forget to think
                about them being technically separate, Cisco bundle them
                into the IOS release but I have used other versions
                before to override the IOS version (on an 857 that I
                used to use) as the “latest” IOS for that was so far
                behind it wasn’t funny.</span><!-- o ignored --></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;
                mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span><!-- o ignored --></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;
                mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">Cheers for the link, I’ll
                have a look </span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: Wingdings; color: #1f497d;
                mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">J</span><!-- o ignored --></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Thanks,</span><!-- o ignored --></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #333333;">Ayden
                Beeson<em> </em></span><!-- o ignored --></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;
                mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"> </span><!-- o ignored --></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;
                  font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span
                style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:
                'Calibri','sans-serif';"> Damien Gardner Jnr [<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net">mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net</a>]
                <br>
                <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, 12 September 2014 11:19
                AM<br>
                <strong>To:</strong> Beeson, Ayden<br>
                <strong>Cc:</strong> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [AusNOG] Strange ADSL
                problem - troubleshooting / diagnosis advice wanted</span><!-- o ignored --></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <!-- o ignored --></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Bear in mind, it's not really IOS
                updates you want, it's adsl firmware updates..  <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2036510">http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2036510</a>
                has a really good list to choose from..  On my 877, I
                settled for 6.0.10 which had a good mix of stability and
                speed (I now sync at 5mbps instead of 4 on standard 877
                firmware, but not the 6 it was syncing on with a
                different version but very unstable)<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<!-- o ignored --></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                  DG<!-- o ignored --></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <!-- o ignored --></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 12 September 2014 11:09, Beeson,
                  Ayden <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>>
                  wrote:<!-- o ignored --></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hey everybody,<br>
                    <br>
                    For those of you that are interested, just a brief
                    update.<br>
                    <br>
                    I have been in touch with both Exetel's tier 1/2
                    support (via my support ticket) and Exetel's
                    residential support manager and have been collecting
                    some information for them.<br>
                    <br>
                    I have not had many failures since the post, but I
                    have had a few, last night I had a big one and
                    managed to get a fair bit of troubleshooting done.<br>
                    <br>
                    Things I have found in addition to my previous post:<br>
                    <br>
                    Pings / traceroutes to international destinations (<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://bbc.co.uk">bbc.co.uk</a>
                    in this case) also suffer the problem, with the same
                    30ms increase, always exactly 30ms.<br>
                    ATM pings end to end work without any packet loss or
                    ping increase. Segment based atm pings always fail,
                    I suspect they are blocked on the remote equipment
                    (DSLAM?).<br>
                    Reed-Solomon errors do not increase during the
                    failure in any noteworthy way (1 or 2 every so
                    often, no large increasing number or anything)<br>
                    <br>
                    I'm going to look into borrowing the test 1941 we
                    have at work w/ the ADSL WIC and maybe try that out
                    at home, but I suspect it'll be the same. I'm going
                    to have a look for IOS updates to my 887 as well.<br>
                    <br>
                    I'll send another update when / if I have any more
                    updates, hopefully it'll be sorted out soon. Thanks
                    again to everybody who has offered advice, tips,
                    config to check, or assorted similar scenarios etc.,
                    your advice has all been extremely positive as well
                    as very helpful and interesting.<br>
                    <br>
                    Cheers,<br>
                    Ayden<br>
                    <br>
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                  VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust<br>
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