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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, to recap, we have spent the last 12 hours troubleshooting routing on a residential-grade TPG service with little knowledge of why it’s a problem for the OP or whether it’s working any differently from normal?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suspect most would have been spending the last 12 hours rolling their eyes. Can’t we organise a Whirlpool account or something? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Noel Butler<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 12 September 2014 9:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] TPG Routing: Melbourne to Melbourne Via Brisbane?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Welcome to TPG,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This can be normal, TPG Bris-> TPG/PIPE Bris often goes via TPG/PIPE Syd :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nothing to see here that hasn't been going on since they bought PIPE, someone once did tell me their reasoning, but that was a long time ago, I laughed then, I laugh today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 11/09/2014 20:41, Daniel Watson wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yea it didn't work anyways</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It went out of the network how its ment to be..</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But inbound still of an issue</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Somebody is preferring that route I assume?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Daniel Watson</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Network Administrator / Network Operations Manager</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>E <a href="mailto:Daniel@GloVine.com.au">Daniel@GloVine.com.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>W <a href="http://www.GloVine.com.au">www.GloVine.com.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nicholas Meredith [<a href="mailto:nicholas@udhaonline.net">mailto:nicholas@udhaonline.net</a>] <br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></strong> Thursday, 11 September 2014 8:41 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To:</span></strong> Daniel Watson<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></strong> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [AusNOG] TPG Routing: Melbourne to Melbourne Via Brisbane?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>> I'll backtrace it...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Consequences will never be the same<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sep 11, 2014 8:39 PM, "Daniel Watson" <<a href="mailto:Daniel@glovine.com.au">Daniel@glovine.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Gday Guys</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>@David, 103.18.204.4 is on the same network/location and that routes perfectly fine, straight to tpg all the way in, as we peer with TPG :d, ill try a back trace and see where it goes for that same network im having the issues with,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>@Robert, this clearly isn't a resie issue.. so they wont help me and id just confuse the hell out of them if I tried :D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Daniel Watson</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Network Administrator / Network Operations Manager</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>E <a href="mailto:Daniel@GloVine.com.au">Daniel@GloVine.com.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>W <a href="http://www.GloVine.com.au">www.GloVine.com.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong>From:</strong> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Daniel Watson<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, 11 September 2014 7:33 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> [AusNOG] TPG Routing: Melbourne to Melbourne Via Brisbane?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Gday Noggers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>From my home connection here in Melbourne on TPG, I have just performed another traceroute to 203.27.101.101 however as you will see I am being routed up to Brisbane and then back<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:\Users\danie_000>tracert 203.27.101.101<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Tracing route to 203.27.101.101 over a maximum of 30 hops<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 2 23 ms 23 ms 22 ms 10.20.21.170<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 3 36 ms 40 ms 36 ms <a href="http://203-29-138-174.static.tpgi.com.au">203-29-138-174.static.tpgi.com.au</a> [203.29.138.17<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>4]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 4 33 ms 35 ms 35 ms <a href="http://203-29-138-174.static.tpgi.com.au">203-29-138-174.static.tpgi.com.au</a> [203.29.138.17<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>4]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 5 34 ms 34 ms 34 ms <a href="http://203-219-100-74.static.tpgi.com.au">203-219-100-74.static.tpgi.com.au</a> [203.219.100.7<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>4]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 6 34 ms 39 ms 44 ms <a href="http://ve4000.bdr01.syd01.eftel.com">ve4000.bdr01.syd01.eftel.com</a> [202.62.152.121]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 7 45 ms 45 ms 45 ms <a href="http://ve46-eth2-1.er01.bne03.eftel.com">ve46-eth2-1.er01.bne03.eftel.com</a> [14.137.96.74]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 8 48 ms 47 ms 48 ms <a href="http://gigabitethernet3-1.woo7.brisbane.telstra.net">gigabitethernet3-1.woo7.brisbane.telstra.net</a> [13<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>9.130.119.57]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> 9 51 ms 48 ms 53 ms <a href="http://tengige0-8-0-7.cha-core4.brisbane.telstra.net">tengige0-8-0-7.cha-core4.brisbane.telstra.net</a> [2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>03.50.50.1]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>10 49 ms 48 ms 49 ms <a href="http://bundle-ether11.ken-core10.sydney.telstra.net">bundle-ether11.ken-core10.sydney.telstra.net</a> [20<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>3.50.11.72]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>11 52 ms 48 ms 49 ms <a href="http://bundle-ether19.ken-core4.sydney.telstra.net">bundle-ether19.ken-core4.sydney.telstra.net</a> [203<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>.50.11.128]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>12 48 ms 50 ms 54 ms <a href="http://tengigabitethernet7-1.ult2.sydney.telstra.net">tengigabitethernet7-1.ult2.sydney.telstra.net</a> [2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>03.50.20.51]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>13 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms <a href="http://vocusf.lnk.telstra.net">vocusf.lnk.telstra.net</a> [139.130.73.106]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>14 48 ms 48 ms 48 ms <a href="http://as38803.cust.bdr02.syd04.nsw.VOCUS.net.au">as38803.cust.bdr02.syd04.nsw.VOCUS.net.au</a> [175.4<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>5.73.230]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>15 49 ms 47 ms 48 ms 118.107.189.234<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>16 48 ms 48 ms 48 ms 118.107.188.186<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>17 49 ms 50 ms 49 ms <a href="http://bdr-1.vic.au.glonetwork.com.au">bdr-1.vic.au.glonetwork.com.au</a> [1.0.4.76]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>18 64 ms 66 ms 50 ms <a href="http://bdr-1.vic.au.sbd.net.au">bdr-1.vic.au.sbd.net.au</a> [103.18.204.242]<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>19 52 ms 53 ms 92 ms 203.27.101.101<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Trace complete.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am not sure whom I need to contact in regards to this? My Upstream provider? TPG? Eftel? 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