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    We know that Kilohertz can deliver a mono audio signal for a very
    long distance.<br>
    And Megahertz can deliver a stereo audio signal for a reasonable
    distance.<br>
    Each of which is carrying a reasonable load of information in an
    analogue fashion.<br>
    If converted into Morse Code- i.e. digital pulses, then surely it
    should be easy to<br>
    transfer data over quite reasonably long distance by wireless.<br>
    A two way transmission would obviously require some investment by
    both<br>
    parties, but the potential is there for an independent "State of
    mind" who<br>
    might like to think outside the square.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/09/2014 8:24 p.m., Curtis Bayne
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>I will miss Briz31.<br>
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        <div>I remember watching "Caravaning with Tommo" (<a
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          as a younger Curtis - Tommo is all to blame for my love of
          camping.</div>
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        <div>This is a dangerous precedent to set, in my opinion. I
          listen to community radio (especially Switch1197) up here in
          Brisbane - to lose community radio (which I would argue has
          greater penetration than community television) would be an
          even greater loss to the community, and I am worried that this
          is the next permutation of this exercise.</div>
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        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>
            I suspect that there is more life left in lower frequency
            radio waves for digital transmission</span><br
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          <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">but
            that isn't where the iPod money is.</span><br>
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        <div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Sssssh.... lest they start
            "reclaiming" the HF/VHF amateur radio frequencies as well...</font></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Alan
          Maher <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:alanmaher@gmail.com" target="_blank">alanmaher@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ki Ora
            from All Black land,<br>
            <br>
            While this may not be exactly aligned with the network
            issues normally aligned on this<br>
            group- I am happy to follow the discussion to date. I will
            call it a "Friday" discussion.<br>
            <br>
            In most of the Western World, the standard analogue TV
            channels have been switched off<br>
            and the frequency spectrum sold to Mobile operators with
            deep pockets.<br>
            I was never sure exactly why this was done, but assume that
            powers of intelligence much<br>
            greater than mine were at work.  Personally, I suspect the
            politicians saw dollar signs and<br>
            went blind very quickly.<br>
            <br>
            Community TV was never a "biggie" in NZ, despite the
            spectrum being available, as most<br>
            small communities never had the kind of resources available
            to undertake that stuff.<br>
            Small scale community radio still seems to happen, but it is
            rarely noted or listened to.<br>
            <br>
            By way of comparison, I happened to live in a tiny town in
            New England, USA where the<br>
            dial-up connection was as reliable as a politicians promise-
            it would disconnect at random<br>
            intervals usually when you were in the middle of something
            that seemed important at the time.<br>
            Like a MS Service pack download.<br>
            This was 2001<br>
            <br>
            We had a cable TV connection, but just a basic one that
            didn't cost the earth and offer<br>
            600 channels of repeats of MASH or something similar.<br>
            <br>
            However, I was amused that one channel was the local town
            channel.<br>
            And we are talking a town with maybe 900 residents.<br>
            This channel constantly broadcast all the contact phone
            numbers for the various services<br>
            that the tiny town provided as kind of Power Point slide
            show.<br>
            Then................once a week it got really exciting,
            because that was when they had the town<br>
            meeting, and it was all broadcast live via a single tiny
            webcam.<br>
            <br>
            All the local town council people had to behave themselves
            when it was live to the community.<br>
            No backdoor deals, no behind the scenes nonsense (well, I
            had to assume so) and it<br>
            was actually quite interesting to watch.<br>
            <br>
            I have to assume that the Cable TV provider allowed some
            form of local access as a right to<br>
            distribute their content within that area.<br>
            <br>
            That is readily done on the net, but getting through to the
            local community relies on 2 very<br>
            important things - 1/ Internet access, and a
            reasonable/modest speed and 2/Local awareness<br>
            of its existence.<br>
            <br>
            I live in a rural area, but am lucky enough to live quite
            close to the Telephone exchange, so<br>
            I get quite good speed on an ADSL2 connection and could
            upgrade to VDSL, but haven't bothered.<br>
            <br>
            The radio/wireless/tv  frequencies (in my view) have been
            hi-jacked by the scam merchants<br>
            and fellow travellers, as an "all move forward for benefit
            of mankind" digital upgrade that<br>
            actually serves no great benefit at all, and disadvantages
            large sections of people who do<br>
            not live in a big city and quite enjoy listening to scratchy
            radio from a distance, or watching<br>
            their selection of a couple of channels (with snow) of the
            news.<br>
            <br>
            I suspect that there is more life left in lower frequency
            radio waves for digital transmission<br>
            but that isn't where the iPod money is.<br>
            <br>
            But, I would be happy to be advised otherwise.<br>
            <br>
            Alan Maher
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                On 12/09/2014 5:56 p.m., Mark ZZZ Smith wrote:<br>
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                    Anyone seen this?<br>
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                    Any they expect to run this on our NBN. They are
                    kidding them selves right?<br>
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                  These guys from Sydney produce the content would have
                  been on community TV in the past. Much better to use
                  Youtube, much bigger audience.<br>
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                  recent production sponsored by Google and Screen
                  Australia)<br>
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