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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yep, me too. I think that’s fair and reasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would be happy to subsidise regional infrastructure investment though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please, no banging on about Conroy. What a disaster. If they’d done it right in the first place, progress and a decent solution offering might have been underway today. They were an utter embarrassment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>DM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jared Hirst<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 September 2014 12:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> ANSA SERVERS<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have a 5mbit DSL at my house. So 100 mbits is a massive improvement.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would also pay for the fibre IF I needed it<br><br>On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, ANSA SERVERS <<a href="mailto:info@ausnetservers.net.au">info@ausnetservers.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jarred,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So your “average” consumer has the fibre money which is wrapped in so much red tap it isn’t funny, everyone wants a dip of the honey pot it is no longer funny.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The idea behind the NBN network was to provide a network that was a level playing field….. is asking for consumers to pay for their own fibre a level playing field? Do consumers run their own copper into their house because they want a VDSL or EOC?? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#34348D'>Matthew Matters </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#34348D'>Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#691260'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Management Department | Small Business Hosting Sales & Services | Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>P 1300 933 038 | M 0428 028 091 | E </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au');" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> | W </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.ausnetservers.net.au/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>www.ausnetservers.net.au</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ABN 25 162 013 194 | ACN 162 013 194 | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jared Hirst [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au');" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 September 2014 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> ANSA SERVERS<br><b>Cc:</b> Adam O'Reilly; <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog@lists.ausnog.net');" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>From that presentation simon says you can order a direct fibre haul to your house? So for the most population 100mbit is fine? Anyone wanting more thhe can haul a fibre in?<br><br>On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, ANSA SERVERS <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','info@ausnetservers.net.au');" target="_blank">info@ausnetservers.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>But Darren, this is tax payer money. Tax payers want the best from<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Their money not a half asses "that'll do" attitude <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Matthew Matters </b>Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd<br>Management Department | Small Business Hosting Sales & Services | Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>P <a href="tel:1300%20933%20038" target="_blank">1300 933 038</a> | M <a href="tel:0428%20028%20091" target="_blank">0428 028 091</a> | E <a href="mailto:mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au">mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au</a> | W <a href="http://www.ausnetservers.net.au/" target="_blank">www.ausnetservers.net.au</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>ABN <a href="tel:25%20162%20013%20194" target="_blank">25 162 013 194</a> | ACN <a href="tel:162%20013%20194" target="_blank">162 013 194</a> | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:38 pm, "ANSA SERVERS" <<a href="mailto:info@ausnetservers.net.au">info@ausnetservers.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adam,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes 100mb might be fine for now but what about the future, from what I understand this copper in the last mile can only handle 100mb, so in the future it WILL have to be ripped up and replaced with CAT6 ( or better) of direct fibre…… which begs the comment why are they not doing that now</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#34348D'>Matthew Matters </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#34348D'>Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#691260'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Management Department | Small Business Hosting Sales & Services | Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>P 1300 933 038 | M 0428 028 091 | E <a href="mailto:mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au">mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au</a> | W </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.ausnetservers.net.au/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>www.ausnetservers.net.au</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ABN 25 162 013 194 | ACN 162 013 194 | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Adam O'Reilly [<a href="mailto:adam@oreilly.bz">mailto:adam@oreilly.bz</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 September 2014 12:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> ANSA SERVERS<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think 100mbit will be fine.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/netflix-ceo-says-4k-streaming-will-only-require-15mbps-bandwidth/" target="_blank">http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/netflix-ceo-says-4k-streaming-will-only-require-15mbps-bandwidth/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>and assuming that you are streaming a 4GB movie:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4GB+in+90+minutes" target="_blank">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4GB+in+90+minutes</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 10 Sep 2014, at 11:50 am, ANSA SERVERS <<a href="mailto:info@ausnetservers.net.au">info@ausnetservers.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Umm my argument mainly is by the time they have finished rolling out there 100mb nbn it WILL BE obsolete<br><br>My understanding of the nbn post liberal government was that the nbn was supposed to be a transport network for phone , internet , DTV, foxtel and other networks and applications we havent even thought off<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good luck getting HDTV to work without buffering with multiple users in a household with 100/xx<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Matthew Matters </b>Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd<br>Management Department | Small Business Hosting Sales & Services | Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>P <a href="tel:1300%20933%20038" target="_blank">1300 933 038</a> | M <a href="tel:0428%20028%20091" target="_blank">0428 028 091</a> | E <a href="mailto:mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au">mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au</a> | W <a href="http://www.ausnetservers.net.au/" target="_blank">www.ausnetservers.net.au</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>ABN <a href="tel:25%20162%20013%20194" target="_blank">25 162 013 194</a> | ACN <a href="tel:162%20013%20194" target="_blank">162 013 194</a> | ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:15 pm, "Mark Newton" <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:18 PM, ANSA SERVERS <<a href="mailto:info@ausnetservers.net.au">info@ausnetservers.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>FTTN might work for the time being but will have to be replaced with more money out of the tax payers pocket. If the government knew anything about the state of the copper network their research would of told them that the part of the copper network they are keeping is the worst effected part of the network.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This line of argument needs to stop.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>FTTN vs FTTH has been discussed ad nauseaum since about 2005. Telstra first approached the Howard Government about FTTN, the Rudd Government started with FTTN then switched to FTTH. 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