<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Yes .. that was the line Stephen Conroy pushed!</div><div><br></div><div>Made in the total absence of any proper technical advice.</div><div><br></div><div>Made by way of pure guesswork.</div><div><br></div><div>The line is based upon the flawed assertion that, due to history only ever showing a demand for more and more fixed line bandwidth then the future must demand, inexorably, not only more of the same but also via a continuation of the logarithmically upwards shape to the demand curve!</div><div><br></div><div>It was only ever convenient political spin.</div><div><br></div><div>You could see that from the beginning after Conroy slagged HFC, a service (that the CIO of the largest cable co on earth told me last week) will reach 1Gb via docsis 3.1!</div><div><br></div><div>Sadly these sorts of shenanigans should be expected when the politicians enter the business world .. long after the business world is established.</div><div><br></div><div>-P<br><br><br><div><br></div></div><div><br>On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:28 pm, "Darren Moss" <<a href="mailto:Darren.Moss@cloud365.com.au">Darren.Moss@cloud365.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How much bandwidth do you actually need ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I hope we’re not pushing the argument that people will be ordering 1GBps for home use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I watch HD content on my VDSL service which consumes less than 5MBps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Do you really need 100MBps for home use. What will you do with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Disclaimer: I have teenage children who consume a lot of internet – we work fine with 25MBps on VDSL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">DM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ANSA SERVERS<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 September 2014 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Newton<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Simon Hackett's slide deck from AusNOG 2014 with added audio<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Umm my argument mainly is by the time they have finished rolling out there 100mb nbn it WILL BE obsolete<br><br>My understanding of the nbn post liberal government was that the nbn was supposed to be a transport network for phone , internet , DTV, foxtel and other networks and applications we havent even thought off<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Good luck getting HDTV to work without buffering with multiple users in a household with 100/xx<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Matthew Matters </b>Managing Director / CEO of Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd<br>Management Department | Small Business Hosting Sales & Services | Aus Net Servers Australia Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">P <a href="tel:1300%20933%20038">1300 933 038</a> | M <a href="tel:0428%20028%20091">0428 028 091</a> | E <a href="mailto:mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au" target="_blank">mmatters@ausnetservers.net.au</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>| W <a href="http://www.ausnetservers.net.au/" target="_blank">www.ausnetservers.net.au</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">ABN <a href="tel:25%20162%20013%20194">25 162 013 194</a> | ACN <span class="afinputtextcontent"><a href="tel:162%20013%20194">162 013 194</a> | </span>ARBN B2318 229M | #1 For Dedicated Hosting Solutions For Small Business Since 2007<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 10 Sep 2014, at 12:15 pm, "Mark Newton" <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:18 PM, ANSA SERVERS <<a href="mailto:info@ausnetservers.net.au">info@ausnetservers.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">FTTN might work for the time being but will have to be replaced with more money out of the tax payers pocket. If the government knew anything about the state of the copper network their research would of told them that the part of the copper network they are keeping is the worst effected part of the network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">This line of argument needs to stop.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">FTTN vs FTTH has been discussed ad nauseaum since about 2005. Telstra first approached the Howard Government about FTTN, the Rudd Government started with FTTN then switched to FTTH. Now the Abbott Government is doing both.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think it’s safe to assert that <i>all</i> of the Governments involved in the many different NBNs which have been proposed know exactly what the state of the copper is.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you believe that the Government would stop proposing networks that use the CAN if only they knew about the state of the CAN, <i>you are wrong.</i> Stop doing that, it’s making you look silly, and no NBN-related argument has ever been won with that point.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> - mark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/aus-net-servers-australia"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://cdn.ausnetservers.net.au/Exchange/image004.jpg" alt="LinkedIn"></span></a><a href="http://www.twitter.com/ansaservers"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" id="_x0000_i1026" src="http://cdn.ausnetservers.net.au/Exchange/image006.jpg" alt="Twitter"></span></a>The information transmitted in this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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