<div dir="ltr">We are also multihomed, and the only fix was to turn off Vocus.<div><br></div><div>Not sure if this is an option, but perhaps an addon feature for customers who are multihomed to have their service turned off incase of a degradation like this.</div>
<div>I'm trying to think how you would automate something like that...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Damien Gardner Jnr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It wasn't as simple as having transit through a single upstream being the problem. While the vocus outage was happening, they were still supplying a full routing table. So those of us with multiple upstreams had to completely shut down Vocus to stop the outage. And the whole situation wasn't helped by Equinix using Vocus for their outbound internationally, so a ticket had to be lodged there to have them turn off Vocus (which thankfully they did immediately)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On 26 August 2014 23:40, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yup.. move along, nothing to see here.<div><br></div><div>Once an outage is fixed, those who dwell on the cause that they can do nothing about, are focusing in the wrong place.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If your only transit was through a single upstream, that is where you should be focusing, not the provider.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div><div><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 August 2014 23:19, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au" target="_blank">kristoffer.sheather@cloudcentral.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>: "Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry)" <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au" target="_blank">wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "James Spenceley" <<a href="mailto:james@iroute.org" target="_blank">james@iroute.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc</b>: "<a href="mailto:Ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">Ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: SPAM-MED: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus international service outage</span>
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<div>Hi James,</div>
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<div>Still waiting for the RfO on this whole thing with the details. Neither seen one here nor as a follow-up to customer notifications.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div><span>On 8/24/14, 12:38 AM, "Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry)" <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au" target="_blank">wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div><span>Hmm - can understand that but would have expected that there is sufficient redundancy in the LA landing of your network. I would have expected that a re-route and taking SJC largely out of the equation would be possible. Surprised to say the least …</span></div>
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<div><span><span>On 8/24/14, 12:10 AM, "James Spenceley" <<a href="mailto:james@iroute.org" target="_blank">james@iroute.org</a>> wrote:</span></span></div>
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<div><span><span>Early mail is a power surge in a US DC has damaged both core routers. Wouldn't surprise me if transport from other providers out of that building will be having similar issues. </span></span></div>
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<span><span>On 24 Aug 2014, at 0:00, Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:</span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span><span>WOW.... It has taken 2 hours to get remote hands to the DC with what seems to be a device with no redundancy?</span></span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span><span>On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Andrew Yager <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:andrew@rwts.com.au" target="_blank">andrew@rwts.com.au</a>></span> wrote:</span></span>
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<span><span>They say there is a big rewrite coming on the way rpd and sampled interact in 14.2; and the slow convergance issues have been fixed in more releases than I care to remember right now… but people say they are pretty good in the 12.3r6 train. Our MX80's are slated for upgrade to that at some stage in the next few months. </span></span>
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<div><span><span>Some noise about this on j-nsp again today.</span></span>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span><span>On 23 August 2014 23:23, Jonathan Thorpe <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:jthorpe@conexim.com.au" target="_blank">jthorpe@conexim.com.au</a>></span> wrote:</span></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">True, but they otherwise work exceptionally well.</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’m not sure what kind of PowerPC CPU is doing all the work on an MX80’s RE, but I do sometimes wonder if the CPU on a <$40 Raspberry Pi might be more up to the job :-P</span></span></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 23 August 2014 11:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Thorpe<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a href="mailto:Ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">Ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] Vocus international service outage</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Well, if you buy the big chassis boxes…..</span></span></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 24 August 2014 1:10 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Yager; Jared Hirst<br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:Ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ausnog@ausnog.net</span></a><br>
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Vocus international service outage</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Glad I’m not the only one holding my breath on our MXs :)</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> AusNOG [</span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Yager<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 23 August 2014 10:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jared Hirst<br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:Ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ausnog@ausnog.net</span></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>On 23 August 2014 22:41, Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Daniel Watson <<a href="mailto:Daniel@glovine.com.au" target="_blank">Daniel@glovine.com.au</a>> wrote:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Indeed seeing some big drops in gaming traffic at present, normally we see above 60mbit on weekends at evenings, but not even seeing 40mbit at present :S</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> AusNOG [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jared Hirst<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 23 August 2014 10:35 PM</span></span></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Vocus international service outage</span></span></span></p>
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Just saw the dashboards light up with connectivity issues internationally for Vocus services and thought I'd make others aware.<br>
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Vocus outage report is saying: "core network link between 59 Doody Street, Alexandria and 55 South Market Street, San Jose has failed" which hopefully isn't a Southern Cross fault!<br>
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