I'm aware. 1:20 is not a realistic number for paid peering from Telstra.<div><br></div><div>Not only that but they've completely ignored backhaul costs.</div><div><br></div><div>Getting 100GE between AMS-IX, NL-ix, LINX and DE-CIX is significantly cheaper then going between Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney, Perth (which Telstra would also be doing for them if they purchased paid peering)</div>
<div><br></div><div>That's the equivalent of writing a blog post that you are paying slightly more to Comcast because they have to haul it from the East Coast to the West Coast USA. I suspect in the USA Cloudflare take ports in different transit hubs, even for the same provider.</div>
<div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br>On Wednesday, August 27, 2014, Ben Grubb <<a href="mailto:bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au">bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">$200/Mbps isn't the real figure.<div><br></div><div>From the post: <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"We don't disclose exactly what we pay for transit, but I can give you a relative sense of regional differences. To start, let's assume as a benchmark in North America you'd pay a blended average across all the transit providers of $10/Mbps. </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">In reality, we pay less than that, but it can serve as a benchmark, and keep the numbers round as we compare regions. If you assume that benchmark, for every 1,000Mbps (1Gbps) you'd pay $10,000/month (again, acknowledge that’s higher than reality, it’s just an illustrative benchmark and keeps the numbers round, bear with me)."</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So he's just using $10 as a starting for North America and saying whatever the actual figure is it's 20x that here.<br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">In reality It's probably a difference of $1/Mbps to $20/Mbps.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">It's a 1:20 ratio is his point</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards,</div><div>Ben Grubb</div></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 August 2014 00:36, Cameron Ferdinands <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cameron@jferdinands.com');" target="_blank">cameron@jferdinands.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
What about PIPE IX? and PPC-1? A few years ago? PIPE was founded in<br>
2001. Joe's been doing a fantastic job at WAIA too.<br>
<br>
There's still several networks in AUS that don't peer either or only<br>
present at a single location. (not GoF), including some big big<br>
content providers.<br>
<br>
$200mbit ? Hardly, those numbers were clearly pulled out of somewhere.<br>
I also highly doubt they don't participate in paid peering agreements<br>
in other regions too. This article is junk.<br>
<br>
On 27 August 2014 00:15, Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry)<br>
<div><div><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au');" target="_blank">wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> Australia is making huge strides towards better interconnection. A few years<br>
> ago there was almost no Internet Exchange capacity in use but rather<br>
> capacity was bought via transit. Nowadays you have Megaport and WAIA present<br>
> in most states and there is a lot of content exchanged via these platforms.<br>
><br>
> Fixing Telstra by regulation is a whole different story ...<br>
><br>
> On 8/27/14, 12:08 AM, "Ben Grubb" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au');" target="_blank">bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Sure but there's hardly been any discussion of late on this and the impact<br>
> it has on the Australian market.<br>
><br>
> Net neutrality has barely rated a mention in Australia since 2008. Combine<br>
> it with NBN Co's CVC charge and it's not looking like Australia will become<br>
> attractive for content players at all. Do we want that?<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Ben Grubb<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 27 August 2014 00:06, Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry)<br>
> <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au');" target="_blank">wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Just look into Netflix + <insert large eyeball network name here> in the<br>
>> US. It’s not an Australian thing. It’s been the “war” between eyeball<br>
>> networks and content for a while.<br>
>><br>
>> On 8/27/14, 12:04 AM, "Ben Grubb" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au');" target="_blank">bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Sure. Doesn't make it right though.<br>
>><br>
>> When talking about the Australian market though are there others besides<br>
>> Telstra using similar tactics?<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Ben Grubb<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 27 August 2014 00:02, Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry)<br>
>> <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au');" target="_blank">wolfgang.nagele@ausregistry.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Simply not true that Telstra is the only one doing this. Deutsche Telekom<br>
>>> has been known to use the same practice for now decades. Swisscom, same<br>
>>> thing.<br>
>>><br>
>>> All of the Gorillas are doing this. Sadly.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 8/26/14, 11:35 PM, "Ben Grubb" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au');" target="_blank">bgrubb@fairfaxmedia.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm planning on writing about this guys for the SMH. Matt at CloudFlare<br>
>>> gave me the heads up earlier.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If anyone feels like ranting to me about this, drop me a line :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's really interesting IMO, especially considering it's in Telstra's<br>
>>> best interest with its 50% stake in Foxtel to keep content players like<br>
>>> Netflix away. Only way to do that is by charging them ridiculous transit<br>
>>> fees.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Ben Grubb<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 26 August 2014 23:30, James Andrewartha <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au');" target="_blank">trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world" target="_blank">http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world</a><br>
>>>> via <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8226654" target="_blank">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8226654</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Australia is the most expensive region in which we operate, but for an<br>
>>>> interesting reason. We peer with virtually every ISP in the region<br>
>>>> except<br>
>>>> one: Telstra. Telstra, which controls approximately 50% of the market,<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> was traditionally the monopoly telecom provider, charges some of the<br>
>>>> highest transit pricing in the world — 20x the benchmark ($200/Mbps)."<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Not quite news, but it's still interesting to see the relative numbers.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> # TRS-80 trs80(a)<a href="http://ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au" target="_blank">ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a> #/ "Otherwise Bub here<br>
>>>> will do \<br>
>>>> # UCC Wheel Member <a href="http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/" target="_blank">http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/</a> #| what squirrels do<br>
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