<div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">That Telstra has a lot of customers, and is using them to grab some extra</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">money, isn't great, and it should be publicised. But it ain't an issue of</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">net neutrality, unless Telstra (or someone else) is actually doing (or is</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">planning on doing) the sort of things that US carriers *are* doing."</span><div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">They perhaps aren't slowing down services or prioritising one over another like some in the US, no. Though they <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html" target="_blank">were planning</a> to do that a while back and the <a href="http://www.afr.com/p/technology/accc_takes_aim_at_internet_slowdowns_DNxYfamGg7IZdqO1IcZC1L" target="_blank">ACCC eventually raised its eyebrows</a>.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">But aren't they speeding up those who pay and therefore creating an artificial slow lane for every other service?</font></div><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Your service has to go through more hops unless you pay them or a transit provider money. This happens around the globe with other monopolies, sure, but it doesn't mean it's right. Hence by question over whether we should regulate interconnection.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">"</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Frankly, if Netflix wanted to really put the cat amongst the pigeons, it'd</span></div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">come in with a great service and pay Telstra for "transit" (only actually</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">using them as a last-resort provider for routes it can't get elsewhere, to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">minimise traffic costs) -- for a time."</span><div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div>They could so that.... but why would they when they could just open in a market where it's cheaper before here?</div><div><br></div><div>
As CloudFlare points out, it's 20X Europe for bandwidth here and Telstra is apparently to blame for a lot of this.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards,</div><div>Ben Grubb</div></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 August 2014 09:28, Matt Palmer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpalmer@hezmatt.org" target="_blank">mpalmer@hezmatt.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 12:08:53AM +1000, Ben Grubb wrote:<br>
> Net neutrality has barely rated a mention in Australia since 2008.<br>
<br>
</div>That's because Net Neutrality, in the terms it is discussed in the US, isn't<br>
an issue here. No provider here can (currently) pull the sort of<br>
shenanigans that the big US providers can, because if they did they would<br>
lose a lot of market share, because we have competition. The core issue in<br>
the debate in the US isn't the Internet, it's monopolies behaving badly.<br>
I'm not talking about "dominant market positions", either (a la Telstra),<br>
but rather honest-to-goodness "we're the phone^Wcable company, we don't have<br>
to care" exploitation of the fact that there is only one provider of<br>
Internet services across large portions of the US.<br>
<br>
That Telstra has a lot of customers, and is using them to grab some extra<br>
money, isn't great, and it should be publicised. But it ain't an issue of<br>
net neutrality, unless Telstra (or someone else) is actually doing (or is<br>
planning on doing) the sort of things that US carriers *are* doing.<br>
<br>
Frankly, if Netflix wanted to really put the cat amongst the pigeons, it'd<br>
come in with a great service and pay Telstra for "transit" (only actually<br>
using them as a last-resort provider for routes it can't get elsewhere, to<br>
minimise traffic costs) -- for a time. Collect up a huge pile of Telstra<br>
customers, then say "oh, we've realised that it isn't cost-effective to<br>
service Telstra customers their Netflix, so we'd suggest moving to another<br>
provider because Telstra customers are going to lose their Netflix as of<br>
date X". I don't *know* what would happen, but I'd suspect that, given that<br>
people have a lot more choice in ISP than they do in movie provider, Telstra<br>
would lose a lot more customers than Netflix would. And, given that Netflix<br>
would no longer be paying for Telstra "transit", it'd be a net win on the<br>
balance sheet.<br>
<br>
Normally I wouldn't imagine any company doing that sort of thing, but given<br>
Netflix' recent forays into displaying "Your video is shit because $ISP is<br>
congested" messages (something I'd long-thought they *should* do, but never<br>
imagined they *would* do) I think there's some small chance they might<br>
actually do something like that. They can't do it in the US, because over<br>
there, as much as you might *want* to change ISPs, you physically *can't*.<br>
Over here... not so much.<br>
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- Matt<br>
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