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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I presume the general theoretical use
case for this sort of thing is, we hacked "killtheinfidels.com"
and saw a bunch of Australian IP's hitting it, we'd like to see
who is doing that.<br>
Then they can percolate that through their databases and see if
there is anybody interesting, add people to watchlists all the
good stuff.<br>
Obviously it isn't going to get anybody with half a brain, but
thankfully most of the nutjobs seem to self select to fall into
that category.<br>
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What I would find interesting would be if, now that they have said
all they want is IP to account matchups. If IINET and the other
players said something along the lines of "we support this limited
data retention in the interest of national security, You can prove
that your intentions are true and not supported by afact (or
whomever) by legislating that these records not be able to be used
for copyright infringement purposes"<br>
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I'd also suggest that they could create a class of warrant,
whereby a judge could OK the acquisition by "the powers that be"
of this information, which would breach the privacy of users.
Though this could well reveal the information that lead to the
desire for the IP addresses in the first place.<br>
(Secret warrants are a bad thing)<br>
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On 11/08/14 13:14, Mike Taylor wrote:<br>
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With IPv6 - you allocate a prefix, not an IP address, so perhaps
'Your argument is invalid' might apply in that situation?<br>
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(not you Mark, the lawmakers)<br>
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Regards,<br>
Mike<br>
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On 11/08/14 13:49, Mark Newton wrote:<br>
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<div>On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Beeson, Ayden <<a
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">+1 this. Though they deny
it, the user -> IP listing is the ONLY thing they don't
have to start directly harassing people for Copyright
infringement notices sent from the US media companies.<br>
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<div>Notwithstanding that they can never get a “user->IP”
mapping, they can only get a subscriber->IP mapping.</div>
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<div>This is something they know, having had their arses caned
over it repeatedly in US courts, and having had the full bench
of the High Court in Australia kick them in the face about it
in AFACT v iiNet (so hard they had to change their name to
recover their reputation. "AFACT? Who, us? We don’t know any
AFACT…”)</div>
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<div>It’s possible to pay someone to continue to believe things
they know to be untrue, and that’s what we have with the
copyright industry and our A-D, and so here we are. The fact
that they earn their money by being professionally wrong
doesn’t mean anyone else has to provide them with the benefit
of any credibility.</div>
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<div>Who here is making submissions to the copyright
consultation that closes on 1 Sep?</div>
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<div> - mark</div>
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