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<div>A lot of the Alcatel systems did, I've seen quite a few that used a tractor feed printer to report CDR's haha.<br>
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On 8 Aug 2014, at 22:08, "Tom Berryman" <<a href="mailto:tom@connectivityit.com.au">tom@connectivityit.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Telephone numbers might be somewhat accurate analogues for individuals, as there is one phone number per device, and they're not NATted by the carrier or the end-user. The same cannot be said about Internet protocol identifiers.</span><br>
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<span>PABX? Surely an office phone system is the analogue NAT?</span><br>
<span>Though all but dead now.. yet I can't really think of any that stored for 2 years the mapping of when what internal user made what external phone call for how long...</span><br>
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<span>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] metadata conference on SkyNews</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] metadata conference on SkyNews</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Clearly if you need source and destination of every packet then sFlow just doesn’t cut the mustard.</span><br>
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<span>No network identifier 'cuts the mustard'. They identify a host, or an application the host is using, but not the person behind the device. And in the case of IPv6, they can change periodically, as they have been on Windows boxes every 8 to 12 hours or
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<span>Telephone numbers might be somewhat accurate analogues for individuals, as there is one phone number per device, and they're not NATted by the carrier or the end-user. The same cannot be said about Internet protocol identifiers.</span><br>
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<span>For cases of copyright violation, US courts have determined that IP addresses is not a person, so why does the crime of terrorism make that any less false?</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Also as clear (to us, if not them) if you’re NOT collecting said ‘meta data’ on every single packet then why bother capturing any?</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Or are you hoping to capture every N-th terrorist plot, kiddie-porn-ographer or other bogey-man of the moment?</span><br>
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