<div dir="ltr">My worry is that with the Liberals pushing this as 'Anti-Terrorism', that anyone going against it, public or other members of parliament will be painted as a supporter of terrorism.<div><br></div><div>
What we need to do is take a specific stance... and that is that security measures are good... but pointless ones are not.</div><div><br></div><div>We SUPPORT the government doing what they need to to stop/combat terrorism, but we want it to be effective and not detrimental to businesses and indeed the security apparatus, whose lives will become even harder if everyone jumps onto VPN's/encryptions/etc. </div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Chris Macko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cmacko@intervolve.com.au" target="_blank">cmacko@intervolve.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Tahoma">Skeeve - In my humble opinion, this is the largest load of rubbish ever invented by the politicians we employed.<br>
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I don't see any better politicians out there on the scape though, so at this stage, there's no option of re-hiring.<br>
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Seriously though, our predicament all comes down to a terrible HR issue from the top!<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>; Terry Sweetser<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is going to be like the last time. If you opposed the filter, you supported Child Pornography.
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<div>Now, if you oppose the data retention, you will be supporting terrorism.</div>
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<div>I wish people were smart enough to realise what these fools are doing and how they are selling it.</div>
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<div>But then again... they can't get any other legislation through, will they get this through? What is Labour and the Independents view on this? Would be interesting to know.</div>
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By consult, are you meaning: they ask over simplistic questions to ridiculously broad scenarios expecting an outcome that is cheap and easy?<br>
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"You will do this, this and this. Starting tomorrow. Any questions?"<br>
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