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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Don’t you just go down to Officeworks and buy some USB keys to put the data on?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A 3TB Seagate USB3 disk is like $150, so data retention is cheap….. right? :P<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 6 August 2014 4:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matt Perkins<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And if the data is lost... then WHO goes to jail? Some Director who has never touched a server/device? Or some poor network/server admin?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have any information on what they do in the UK if the data is lost?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Matt Perkins <<a href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Im with Ross on this one. Let's give them a mirror port and they can make their own arrangement's the cost of this to most at the egress points would be minimal I would think.<br>
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Then <insert new agency> would need to build fiber to every ISP and store it all. When the government say. We cant do that it's to expensive. Then they have made their own argument for why we cant do it .<br>
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Case solved.<br>
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I also wonder what the penalties are for loosing all this data. Does it need to be backed up / Diverse / SLA ? ? What if it's hacked ? Can I go to jail because ASIO want's something from 1.5 years ago and I go to get it and the disk's died. ?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So i see they keep saying data will be held for 2 years, does this include<br>
full url history as well? Because in the UK they went for just 4 days<br>
retention, presumably because of the absurd amount of data that would mean<br>
they would have to collect. Anyone have any idea how much data that would<br>
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I wonder how we'd go... if we told 'em to "provide us an ethernet port where we just squirt the data to" and let them concern themselves with the cost and logistics of providing the bandwidth and storage.<br>
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If they under-provision and lose data: problem belong them.<br>
If they have storage problems: problem belong them.<br>
If they have equipment breakdowns: problem belong them.<br>
If they can't read data due to encryption: problem belong them.<br>
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Sell it to them on the grounds that they'd have the data in (near) real-time.<br>
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(Not that I agree with or support this nonsense idea in any way, shape or form to begin with... just looking for a way for them to realise themselves the enormity and futility of the task)<br>
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