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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The former Gov could have broken Telstra up in the way that many other countries did.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But they did not, instead embarking on policy counter to the spirit of that embarked upon by the same side of politics 25 odd years earlier under Hawke/ Keating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe breaking Telstra up isn’t a 100% fix however it’s far more logical than the path they embarked upon & vastly quicker to bring some respite.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If they had done so they would have retained choices vis a vis the changing technologies & landscape.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Obviously retaining all the pits/ pipes/ copper in such an acquisition would have neutralised the profoundly politicised arguments that followed pitting fibre against copper. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It would also have enabled the visionaries to dream up any number of variations of copper/ fibre alongside residential/ business v migrate or add, price differentials etc. The continuing rollout could have been tweaked and changed in many ways to fit into a rapidly changing telecoms future; but they instead set the fuse on their ‘one size fits all’ neutron bomb policy & now hide behind the prejudicial legal protection enjoyed by politicians & the judiciary when they’re shown to be negligent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If they had enacted & then acquired a separated ‘Telstra Infrastructure Company ’ to do whatever they wished in the future they would not then need to run back to Telstra + the ACCC to negotiate a new arrangement every time they change course (as we’re seeing the current Gov being required to do).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>e.g <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>they could have acquired the wholesale business from Telstra business back, & then sell it a consortium of industry players, thus creating some ‘neutrality’, and/ or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>or just kept it & then rolled FTTN as staging point to get to FTTP and or FTTB, and/ or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>provided a truthful roadmap to us all after having enjoyed the radically ‘de-politicising process’ policy suggested above, when compared to the policy they did embark on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But they did not, instead taking the most naïve course possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now look at the mess … it’s just getting worse. No-body seems happy about the thing now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe not too late though! (and if they did the CAN might gain a great deal more love than it’s seeing today).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Newton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 21 July 2014 3:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jacob Gardiner<br><b>Cc:</b> List List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Jacob Gardiner <<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>What about the potential for Australian produced content to be streamed to your nearest internet connected computer or tablet? Or better yet, exported via Netflix to a global audience?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>How is that <i>in any way</i> affected by the peering terms they offer to Australian ISPs? They can do that already.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Netflix solve a distribution issue, they’re not a studio. This being said, Netflix need the infrastructure to be present and that’s what this conversation is about. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Netflix already have the infrastructure — they can carry out their entire business from the USA. Including servicing hypothetical Australian customers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>They are also a studio, by the way. Just sayin’.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>The NBN idea was meant to stimulate our industry to move beyond what it is now and enable businesses LIKE Netflix to set up and provide new services to Australia. (hence my dig at our dependance on mining)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Really? I don’t think that was the Government’s plan for it. I don’t think they thought about those issues at all. For them, it was about restructuring the industry to make up for the failure of the market to magic its way past Telstra’s CAN infrastructure monopoly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There was certainly a lot of woo about what else it was supposed to achieve, so it’s possible that some politician somewhere had a brain explosion and said it was all about “stimulating [Australia’s] [Internet] industry.” He almost certainly didn’t remember saying it 4 hours later, though.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>IF the government was to talk to a business like Netflix and ask them what a fast growing online business needs to operate they’d hopefully be more receptive than listening to a bunch of complainers (I imagine the government looks at groups like this as whingers). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><i>Why would they want to offer incentives for a business that doesn’t pay tax in Australia, doesn’t employ Australians, doesn’t use profits to benefit Australians, to set up in Australia?</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That’s crazy talk. Where’s the Australian public interest in that?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Netflix’s involvement in Australia is purely extractive: Their commercial aim will be to relocate as much cash from our economy to their bank accounts as possible. They need a grand total of <i>zero</i> Australian investment to achieve that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div id="bloop_customfont"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>netflix need - good connectivity, everywhere & local film and media content. - I think most people in AU want the same?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>They need nothing local. They need <i>adequate</i> connectivity, which they already have by virtual of their cheap-and-cheerful transit deals in the USA.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The reason you want them to peer is for YOUR needs, not theirs. YOU don’t want to pay for transit to satisfy your users’ desires to purchase their services. So YOU are responding in essentially the same way the network neutrality bad guys are responding in the USA, by expecting the Government to swoop in and make Netflix’s cost of operations higher so that yours can be lower. This isn’t about “most people in AU,” it’s about your business.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Australia has <i>nothing</i> to offer Netflix, other than bureaucratic interference from ACMA and the Classification Board, and a massively over-inflated sense of entitlement.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I was them, I’d be avoiding Australia simply because it’s too administratively difficult to offer content services here. Why bother? Australian voters have clearly signaled that they’re so delighted with inferior expensive choices that they’ll make it very difficult for better choices to arrive, and expect regulators to interfere endlessly with any who do — something they don’t need to deal with anywhere else. So if I was them I’d be spending my money in places where I wouldn’t have to pay a commercial premium for the extra regulatory overheads, unless and until Australian voters changed their tune.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Personally: I enjoy using Netflix right now. I aim to continue to do so, regardless of whether they plonk a few racks of servers at Global Switch. If you think they’re so great, why aren’t you using them already too?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> - mark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>