<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Do you use ADSL?</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Have you ever used a torrent?</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">I’d say most people who are interested in watching their favourite shows do so by leaving their torrent client open overnight, on a crappy ADSL connection. They’d all be be extremely happy to pay $10 per month and get something like netflix in their home. </div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">So yeah, our market is inhibited and citizens work around it by going the slow, illegal route. If you bring netflix to town, i’d probably also say that our favourite government would need to re-evaluate our broadband network(s) for starters.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div> <div id="bloop_sign_1405920329488541952" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br>Jacob Gardiner<br><a href="https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner">@jacobgardiner</a></div></div> <br><p style="color:#000;">On 21 July 2014 at 2:53:47 pm, Mark ZZZ Smith (<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div style="" class=""><span style="" class="">By saying we should
be '</span>enabling businesses like Netflix', you're implying
they're currently 'disabled'. How?<br></div>
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<b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Sam Silvester
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<b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 21 July 2014 2:45
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<div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;">My point
is that we should be enabling businesses like Netflix. I’m not
saying anybody should get special treatment. Hypothetically if
Netflix were to come on-shore and blow away Quickflix because
they’re better then I have no problem with that. In fact they may
help influence a change in policy that might make business easier
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<div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;">We’ve got
issues. When a company like Netflix comes to town, these issues are
forced and hopefully resolved with benefits to the entire market,
not just Netflix. </div>
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<div class="" style="color:#000;">On 21 July 2014 at 2:39:51 pm,
Mark ZZZ Smith (<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>)
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<div style="" class="">And why should Netflix get special
treatment? Why not Quickflix, Google Play or (shock horror) FoxTel.
Why not my about-to-incorporate-if-I-get-free-taxpayer-money VOD
company MarkSmithFlix?<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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If you believe in network neutrality, then you shouldn't believe in
anybody getting preferential treatment, whether that preferential
treatment is in the form of government sponsorship, regulation or
even zero metering of some content providers' content but not
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Netflix should come to Australia because they want to, and they'd
want to if they can make a suitable profit. Any preferential
treatment of them penalises every other VoD player.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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>Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 12:05 PM<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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>I'm curious as to why anybody thinks there needs to be a
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>If/when Netflix come to AU, why would their model be any
different to elsewhere? Caches for networks that justify them, and
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>It's what they have done elsewhere, why would anybody think
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>On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jacob Gardiner
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>>On 21 July 2014 at 11:18:36 am, Mark Newton
(newton@atdot.dotat.org) wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">
>>The Government is entirely impotent in this area.
They cannot force an offshore provider to make decisions
which are suboptimal to their business.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
>>This is exactly where the mindset needs to
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>>If the Government wants a business like Netflix and many
others to invest into Australia’s market then there should be
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>>Or we could just wait until we run out of rocks to dig up
WA then freak out.<br style="" class="" clear="none">
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