<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="" class=""><span style="" class="">By saying we should be '</span>enabling businesses like Netflix', you're implying they're currently 'disabled'. How?<br></div><div style="" class=""><br style=""></div><blockquote class="" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div class="" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div class="" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="" class="" dir="ltr"> <hr style="" class="" size="1"> <font style="" class="" face="Arial" size="2"> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jacob Gardiner <jacob@jacobgardiner.com><br
style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Sam Silvester <sam.silvester@gmail.com>; Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au>; "AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 21 July 2014 2:45 PM<br style="" class=""> <b style="" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?<br style="" class=""> </font> </div> <div style="" class=""><br style="" class=""><div style="" class="" id="yiv7850977151"><style style="" class="">#yiv7850977151 body{font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;}</style><div style="" class=""><div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;">My point is that we should be enabling businesses like
Netflix. I’m not saying anybody should get special treatment. Hypothetically if Netflix were to come on-shore and blow away Quickflix because they’re better then I have no problem with that. In fact they may help influence a change in policy that might make business easier for other VOD suppliers. </div><div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;">We’ve got issues. When a company like Netflix comes to town, these issues are forced and hopefully resolved with benefits to the entire market, not just Netflix. </div><div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div><div class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_customfont"
style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;"><br style="" class="" clear="none"></div> <div style="" class="" id="yiv7850977151bloop_sign_1405917663903072000"><div class="" style="font-family:helvetica, arial;font-size:13px;">-- <br style="" class="" clear="none">Jacob Gardiner<br style="" class="" clear="none"><a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner">@jacobgardiner</a></div></div> <br style="" class="" clear="none"><div style="" class="" id="yiv7850977151yqt44246"><div class="" style="color:#000;">On 21 July 2014 at 2:39:51 pm, Mark ZZZ Smith (<a style="" class="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>) wrote:</div> <blockquote style="" class="" type="cite"><span style="" class=""></span><div style="" class=""><div style="" class=""></div><div
style="" class="">And why should Netflix get special treatment? Why not Quickflix, Google Play or (shock horror) FoxTel. Why not my about-to-incorporate-if-I-get-free-taxpayer-money VOD company MarkSmithFlix?<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none">If you believe in network neutrality, then you shouldn't believe in anybody getting preferential treatment, whether that preferential treatment is in the form of government sponsorship, regulation or even zero metering of some content providers' content but not others by ISPs.<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none">Netflix should come to Australia because they want to, and they'd want to if they can make a suitable profit. Any preferential treatment of them penalises every other VoD player.<br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none"><br style="" class="" clear="none">>________________________________<br style="" class=""
clear="none">> From: Sam Silvester <sam.silvester@gmail.com><br style="" class="" clear="none">>To: "AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <br style="" class="" clear="none">>Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 12:05 PM<br style="" class="" clear="none">>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix in AU, break up Go4, or TPG peering breakup?<br style="" class="" clear="none">> <br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">>I'm curious as to why anybody thinks there needs to be a Government response here - not to mention it's all hypothetical so far anyway.<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">>If/when Netflix come to AU, why would their model be any different to elsewhere? Caches for networks that justify them, and building their CDN out to peering points that make sense.<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style=""
class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">>It's what they have done elsewhere, why would anybody think here would be a special or different case?<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">>On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob@jacobgardiner.com> wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">><br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>><br style="" class="" clear="none">>>On 21 July 2014 at 11:18:36 am, Mark Newton (newton@atdot.dotat.org) wrote:<br style="" class="" clear="none">>>The Government is entirely impotent in this area. They cannot force an offshore provider to make decisions which are suboptimal to their business.<br style="" class="" clear="none">>>This is exactly where the mindset
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