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<div>You are not wrong in your assessment of how angry people get when they think you have stolen their personal space. I used to work for a telephone recording company and was attacked a number of times and called some juicy names at exhibitions around the
world just for selling the things. One woman threw a cup full of water at me in Sydney. I wonder if the recorded calls can be tossed aside as metadata as well. I guess the time date stamp and caller id could be.</div>
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<div id="divRpF138323" style="DIRECTION: ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> AusNOG [ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Mark Newton [newton@atdot.dotat.org]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 July 2014 3:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matt Palmer<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] No Data Retention for ISPs - for now<br>
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<div>On Jul 14, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Matt Palmer <<a href="mailto:mpalmer@hezmatt.org" target="_blank">mpalmer@hezmatt.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 09:01:23AM +1000, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The stupid thing is, they are only proposing a record of the communication,<br>
not the communication itself - as another example used, it is keeping a<br>
copy of the letters envelope, but not what is inside... how useless in<br>
proving anything.<br>
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On the contrary, metadata analysis can discover all *sorts* of interesting<br>
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<div>“Metadata” is a made-up word used by the law enforcement and intelligence services who want</div>
<div>you to be okay with them hoovering up every detail of your life.</div>
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<div>They’ve created a fiction that ordinary people who are monstrously offended at the prospect of</div>
<div>warrantless access to data representing their phone call audio streams are perfectly okay with</div>
<div>warrantless access to literally every other bit of data about their personal lives, movements, friends</div>
<div>and family, finances, everything.</div>
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<div>I don’t know anyone who actually thinks like that.</div>
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<div>It’s not “metadata”. It’s just data. You’re buying into AGD’s world view by even using the word.</div>
<div>So if you want to have a fight about whether or not it should be mandatorily retained, you probably</div>
<div>should have a good hard think about the way you talk about it, and the frames of reference</div>
<div>you’re invoking as a consequence of the language you use. Even when, as in this case, you</div>
<div><i>think</i> you’re actually making a point against it.</div>
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<div> - mark</div>
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