<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Jul 14, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Matt Palmer <<a href="mailto:mpalmer@hezmatt.org">mpalmer@hezmatt.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 09:01:23AM +1000, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">The stupid thing is, they are only proposing a record of the communication,<br>not the communication itself - as another example used, it is keeping a<br>copy of the letters envelope, but not what is inside... how useless in<br>proving anything.<br></blockquote><br>On the contrary, metadata analysis can discover all *sorts* of interesting<br>things.<br></blockquote></div><br><div>“Metadata” is a made-up word used by the law enforcement and intelligence services who want</div><div>you to be okay with them hoovering up every detail of your life.</div><div><br></div><div>They’ve created a fiction that ordinary people who are monstrously offended at the prospect of</div><div>warrantless access to data representing their phone call audio streams are perfectly okay with</div><div>warrantless access to literally every other bit of data about their personal lives, movements, friends</div><div>and family, finances, everything.</div><div><br></div><div>I don’t know anyone who actually thinks like that.</div><div><br></div><div>It’s not “metadata”. It’s just data. You’re buying into AGD’s world view by even using the word.</div><div>So if you want to have a fight about whether or not it should be mandatorily retained, you probably</div><div>should have a good hard think about the way you talk about it, and the frames of reference</div><div>you’re invoking as a consequence of the language you use. Even when, as in this case, you</div><div><i>think</i> you’re actually making a point against it.</div><div><br></div><div> - mark</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>