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I work in a lot of networks, SP's, Enterprise... old and new.. and I almost NEVER come across equipment with 10GBase-T ports in them. I don't even recall the last 10GBase-T port I saw - and this is on a LOT of kit.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This very much sounds like the property people saying 'The market is going to increase and values increasing!' just to justify and push up their own sales.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know Arista has 10GBase-T, in fast the first 48 port 10GBase-T switch I ever saw was an Arista. Don't misunderstand me... I think 10GBase-T is awesome and I recommend people consider it as a TOR over SFP+ anytime they have a number of ports to justify it... but few do due to the lack of portability of 10GBase-T - meaning you need those ports wherever kit is moved to, very few people are seriously considering it as a choice to deploy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>With cost, I am not talking about the SME crap... it is a hell of a lot cheaper to deploy 10GBase-T switches - the switches are a bit more expensive, but once you factor in SFP+ modules into a switch, the opticals are much more expensive.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also meant to the vendor who replied about the 10GBase-T <-->SFP+ module possibility... and that making that, which would be consumed in VERY low numbers (my opinion) that the business case would be hard - for anything - made where the numbers shipping would be low.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Re switch availability... I live in a world of enterprise grade, and also mainstream vendors. Juniper has 1 switch (that I know), Cisco has a few line-cards and mostly higher-end Nexus models (2k - which are Fabric extenders, 5596T) and 6500 line-cards... the 4900 has some modules, but there is nothing (I think) in the Catalyst 3000 and below series.. in fact, even full 10G SFP+ is still rare at this level of switching.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cisco and Juniper both still have no all 10Gb (SFP+) switches in the low end (EX2200, EX3200, C29xx, C3xxx) ranges, much less 10GBase-T.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; 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