<div><span style="font-size: 12px;">Yeah, there'll be a sizeable chunk >800m.</span>
</div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;">And I'm not sure about vectoring in the trials - but the hardware should support it.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;">Some extra info: </span><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/231872901/2014-06-Alcatel-Lucent-Australian-Cabinet-Solution-Fact-Sheet">http://www.scribd.com/doc/231872901/2014-06-Alcatel-Lucent-Australian-Cabinet-Solution-Fact-Sheet</a></div>
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<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, 9 July 2014 at 10:29 AM, Guy Ellis wrote:</p>
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<div>Hi Kenneth,<br>
<br>
Yes, it makes sense to locate node near the Telstra pillar.<br>
I guess in that case there will be a number of subscribers >
800m.<br>
<br>
Do you know if vectoring has been enabled in these trials?<br>
<br>
A small team of us are doing VDSL CPE development here, so I am
watching with this with great interest.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
- Guy.<br>
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On 9/07/2014 9:31 AM, myNBN Admin wrote:<br>
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<div> <span style="font-size: 12px;">Hey Guy,</span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br>
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<div><span style="font-size: 12px;">Thanks - I've been fortunate
enough to have a very eager partner who does the majority of
the Telstra pillar spotting on Google Street View. He does
amazing stuff there too!</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 12px;">In the majority of cases, the
FTTN rollout will consist of placing a node as close to an
existing Telstra DA pillar as possible, but also adjacent to
power supplies. It's the way that the Umina Beach trial is
done, and it's what's been indicated by NBN Co to date. This
way, the node is able to cross connect with <i>all</i> the
premises within a DA.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12px;">It won't be easy to move the
node closer to more premises as you'd want to cross connect on
a point where the distribution cable is (to maximise the
number of premises serviceable). You'd also need to unbundle
the cable and erect some form of pillar next to it to cross
connect to. It'll be a major headache and a huge cost just to
bump the statistics up a notch or so. With FTTdp still some
years away, they might just leave it till then to upgrade the
edge properties so they can cross the 25Mbps
Government-mandated threshold.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12px;">I've put some questions
through about how RIMs/Top Hats - but since they are
distinctly separate networks (one's Telstra's and the other's
NBN Co's) - I can only see them placing another node adjacent
to those existing cabinets and cross connecting from there.</span></div>
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<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, 9 July 2014 at 7:17 AM,
Guy Ellis wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Hi Kenneth,<br>
<br>
I'm very impressed with your site, please keep up the
good work.<br>
<br>
Do you know if the placement of nodes for these sites
are designed for FTTN, or just happen to be where there
is a RIM/Top Hat?<br>
My point being that if you can control / design the node
location, you can ensure that most subscribers are
within the magic 700-800m loop length.<br>
If you use existing RIM locations then you have no
control over loop length, which might explain the lower
results.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
- Guy.<br>
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On 8/07/2014 7:57 PM, Kenneth Tsang wrote:<br>
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<div>And we are in no way saying that this is the
performance that end users will get. Knowing how
the current management of NBN Co likes to keep
information, I doubt we'll be seeing any real
speed results,sync speeds any time soon. Heck,
there still hasn't been a press release from NBN
Co to tell us how the FTTBuilding trials are going
8 months after they started, and that's supposed
to be the ones that are giving decent VDSL2 sync
speeds. But from what information is available
out there (overseas comparisons) and estimated
line lengths - it will give people a "picture" of
what users can expect to get.</div>
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</div>
Also, we've realised that an <i>average (i.e mean)</i> is
probably not the best representation of speeds and
so, a median is now included.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And in relation to the OP's argument, the areas
chosen for the trials are mostly high density with
small DA coverage areas. The Caboolture area does
include some larger sized DAs in the outskirts,
which has dragged the median down to ~36mbps.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Kenneth Tsang</div>
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<div>On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jake Anderson
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<div>Did you actually read the article?<br>
The <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://mynbn.info" target="_blank">mynbn.info</a>
website has created *theoretical*
performance figures for trial sites.<br>
As in line sync rates, nothing to do with
ISPs.<br>
<br>
The argument put forth by the OP is that
those trial sites have been selected to give
the best speeds.
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On 08/07/14 18:41, Bradley Amm wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div> Am I'm sure they used cheap
congested ISP's like Exetel and
DevotedNBN or Dodo<br>
I can get 100Mbit on iiNet NBN at a
Display Home<br>
<br>
The NBN isn't the problem. The ISP's
are<br>
<br>
<br>
Kind Regards<br>
<br>
Bradley Amm<br>
11 Delawney St Balcatta WA 6021<br>
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