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<span style="font-size: 12px;">I'm thanking CloudFlare for that ;) </span><span style="font-size: 12px; ">Are you in a trial area but got left off the analysis?</span></div>
<div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; ">---</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; ">Regards,</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; ">Kenneth Tsang</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; "><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><b><font color="#2a0080">myNBN.info</font></b></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#4d923e"> </font>|<font color="#4d923e"> creator and developer</font></span></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; "><font face="Helvetica" color="#2a0080"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><b>E:</b></span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; "><font color="#4d923e"> admin@mynbn.info </font>|<font color="#4d923e"> </font></span><font face="Helvetica" color="#2a0080"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><b>T:</b></span></font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; "><font color="#4d923e"> @mynbninfo</font></span></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font color="#999999" size="1" face="tahoma,sans-serif">myNBN is not affiliated with NBN Co and is an independent tracking website. This email is confidential and is subject to copyright. They are intended solely for the intended addressee of the electronic mail and may only be copied, distributed or disclosed with the consent of the copyright owner.</font></div></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font color="#999999" face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="1"><br></font></div></div>
<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, 9 July 2014 at 10:55 AM, Michael Biber wrote:</p>
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Well done indeed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Unhappy my home has been taken off the list though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike Biber<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>myNBN Admin<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 9 July 2014 9:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> Guy Ellis<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] The Average (Theoretical) Speed Of The FTTN NBN So Far Is 46Mbps<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Hey Guy,</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Thanks - I've been fortunate enough to have a very eager partner who does the majority of the Telstra pillar spotting on Google Street View. He does amazing stuff there too!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:9.0pt">In the majority of cases, the FTTN rollout will consist of placing a node as close to an existing Telstra DA pillar as possible, but also adjacent to power supplies. It's the way that the Umina Beach trial is done, and it's what's been indicated by NBN Co to date. This way, the node is able to cross connect with <i>all</i> the premises within a DA.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:9.0pt">It won't be easy to move the node closer to more premises as you'd want to cross connect on a point where the distribution cable is (to maximise the number of premises serviceable). You'd also need to unbundle the cable and erect some form of pillar next to it to cross connect to. It'll be a major headache and a huge cost just to bump the statistics up a notch or so. With FTTdp still some years away, they might just leave it till then to upgrade the edge properties so they can cross the 25Mbps Government-mandated threshold.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:9.0pt">I've put some questions through about how RIMs/Top Hats - but since they are distinctly separate networks (one's Telstra's and the other's NBN Co's) - I can only see them placing another node adjacent to those existing cabinets and cross connecting from there.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">---<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Kenneth Tsang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#2A0080"><a href="http://myNBN.info">myNBN.info</a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#4D923E"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">|<span style="color:#4D923E"> creator and developer</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#2A0080">E:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#4D923E"> <a href="mailto:admin@mynbn.info">admin@mynbn.info</a> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">|<span style="color:#4D923E"> </span><b><span style="color:#2A0080">T:</span></b><span style="color:#4D923E"> @mynbninfo</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p style="background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#999999">myNBN is not affiliated with NBN Co and is an independent tracking website. This email is confidential and is subject to copyright. They are intended solely for the intended addressee of the electronic mail and may only be copied, distributed or disclosed with the consent of the copyright owner.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p style="background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p><span style="color:#A0A0A8">On Wednesday, 9 July 2014 at 7:17 AM, Guy Ellis wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Kenneth,<br><br>I'm very impressed with your site, please keep up the good work.<br><br>Do you know if the placement of nodes for these sites are designed for FTTN, or just happen to be where there is a RIM/Top Hat?<br>My point being that if you can control / design the node location, you can ensure that most subscribers are within the magic 700-800m loop length.<br>If you use existing RIM locations then you have no control over loop length, which might explain the lower results.<br><br>Kind regards,<br> - Guy.<br><br><br><br>On 8/07/2014 7:57 PM, Kenneth Tsang wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And we are in no way saying that this is the performance that end users will get. Knowing how the current management of NBN Co likes to keep information, I doubt we'll be seeing any real speed results,sync speeds any time soon. Heck, there still hasn't been a press release from NBN Co to tell us how the FTTBuilding trials are going 8 months after they started, and that's supposed to be the ones that are giving decent VDSL2 sync speeds. But from what information is available out there (overseas comparisons) and estimated line lengths - it will give people a "picture" of what users can expect to get.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Also, we've realised that an <i>average (i.e mean)</i> is probably not the best representation of speeds and so, a median is now included. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And in relation to the OP's argument, the areas chosen for the trials are mostly high density with small DA coverage areas. The Caboolture area does include some larger sized DAs in the outskirts, which has dragged the median down to ~36mbps.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Kenneth Tsang<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jake Anderson <<a href="mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com" target="_blank">yahoo@vapourforge.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Did you actually read the article?<br>The <a href="http://mynbn.info" target="_blank">mynbn.info</a> website has created *theoretical* performance figures for trial sites.<br>As in line sync rates, nothing to do with ISPs.<br><br>The argument put forth by the OP is that those trial sites have been selected to give the best speeds. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br>On 08/07/14 18:41, Bradley Amm wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Am I'm sure they used cheap congested ISP's like Exetel and DevotedNBN or Dodo<br>I can get 100Mbit on iiNet NBN at a Display Home<br><br>The NBN isn't the problem. The ISP's are<br><br><br>Kind Regards<br><br>Bradley Amm<br>11 Delawney St Balcatta WA 6021<br>P <a href="tel:08%206241%204404" target="_blank">08 6241 4404</a> F 6241 4455 M <a href="tel:0448%20815%20710" target="_blank">0448 815 710</a><br>W <a href="http://www.homegroupwa.com.au" target="_blank">www.homegroupwa.com.au</a><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2014 3:21 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: [AusNOG] The Average (Theoretical) Speed Of The FTTN NBN So Far Is 46Mbps<br><br><a href="http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/07/average-theoretical-speed-fttn-nbn-46mbps/" target="_blank">http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/07/average-theoretical-speed-fttn-nbn-46mbps/</a><br><br>I am sure they have handpicked some areas to get the best results<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br><br>______________________________________________________________________<br>This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service.<br>For more information please visit <a href="http://www.symanteccloud.com" target="_blank">http://www.symanteccloud.com</a> ______________________________________________________________________<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></blockquote><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Guy Ellis<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:guy@traverse.com.au">guy@traverse.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.traverse.com.au">www.traverse.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>T: +61 3 9386 4435 M: +61 419 398 234<o:p></o:p></pre></div><div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></span>
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