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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Forgot to say, though I guess its implied – Opinion only, no legal grounding on this </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>YMMV.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Ayden Beeson</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Beeson, Ayden<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 July 2014 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens; Serge Burjak<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Commsday: Slingshot to open access to Netflix in New Zealand<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is a topic we have discussed at work quite a bit lately and we have come to the agreement that is isn’t “copyright infringement” per say, but it is definitely breaking the terms and conditions of Netflix etc, and likely could be construed as fraud as well depending on how you have signed up (faking an address for example, real or otherwise)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With that said, you raise a good question, if you are a legitimate user from the US using a VPN to access it, it’s probably not the same, I’d say they base it on the residential status of the account holder, not the current location of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Either way, I’d say you would be MUCH better off in front of a judge for this rather than downloading it from TPB or other illegal torrent sites….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for original content, I’d say there is nothing in the way for Netflix to do that today here, other than the lack of the entire backend infrastructure which would be fairly pricey just to host a few shows….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Side note – you forgot to mention Arrested Development, one of the best things Netflix has taken lately </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Ayden Beeson</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 July 2014 11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Serge Burjak<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Commsday: Slingshot to open access to Netflix in New Zealand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'd like to understand why you think it is copyright infringement... you might be right, but my feeling (not valid for legal purposes) is that it wouldn't be.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You are subscribing to a service, who are paying for the content... and you are paying them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I was a US resident travelling in AU/NZ and used a VPN to watch my Netflix subscription... is that illegal? Is it the location you are watching, or the location of the subscriber?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, what about Netflix original content - House of Cards, Orange is the new Black? Surely they are allowed to let us watch that? Or is that allowed, and now we're actually talking about which specific content we watch? In which case, isn't that pushed back onto Netflix?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a><span style='color:black'> ; blog: </span><a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Serge Burjak <<a href="mailto:sburjak@systech.com.au" target="_blank">sburjak@systech.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Strictly speaking, it's still copyright infringement. The fact you pay<br>for it doesn't make it better. It's like getting an MS licence and<br>saying you are student, but using it in a business. It's against the<br>T&Cs.<br><br>It would make a LOT of sense for Netflix to open in Australia next.<br>The pent up demand would be huge, if they could get a decent range of<br>programming, another problem. I think we are more literate in area<br>than parts of Europe, their next destination.<br><br>On 7 July 2014 10:36, Steve Kurzeja <<a href="mailto:steve.kurzeja@gmail.com">steve.kurzeja@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> That announcement is a bit short on the detail. Its been operating for a<br>> year now, launched as a free opt-in option for Slingshot customers. Now its<br>> on by default.<br>><br>> For more detail this artcile covers most of it:<br>> <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60133677/slingshot-opens-global-mode-for-all-users" target="_blank">http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60133677/slingshot-opens-global-mode-for-all-users</a><br>><br>><br>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Cameron Daniel <<a href="mailto:cdaniel@nurve.com.au">cdaniel@nurve.com.au</a>><br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Maxnet tried this last year, it lasted all of about a week if I remember<br>>> correctly<br>>><br>>> It'd be nice to see attempt #2 last longer but I'm not particularly<br>>> optimistic<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 2014-07-07 8:51 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Well, this is innovative... something I LOVE to see from ISPs.<br>>>><br>>>> So, who is going to do this in Australia? If there is no legal<br>>>> hurdles, then I can imagine the ISP or transit provider that does this<br>>>> would get a lot of interest.<br>>>><br>>>> If they won't come to us, then we go to them!<br>>>><br>>>> Maybe Vocus could consider it? :)<br>>>><br>>>> ...Skeeve<br>>>><br>>>> ================<br>>>> SLINGSHOT TO OPEN ACCESS TO NETFLIX IN NEW ZEALAND<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> New Zealand ISP Slingshot has turned on its “Global Mode” service<br>>>> that alows local customers to access previously blocked sites<br>>>> including Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and BBC iPlayer.<br>>>><br>>>> The broadband provider, a subsidiary of CalPlus, is making the service<br>>>> available to all customers for free, allowing them to get around<br>>>> geographic restrictions.<br>>>><br>>>> Slingshot GM Taryn Hamilton told CommsDay the company wasn't expecting<br>>>> any legal challenges to the workaround, noting that it was not<br>>>> breaking any NZ legislation. He also noted that Australian customers<br>>>> had similar chalenges to those in New Zealand.<br>>>><br>>>> “We’d be extremely disappointed to se any challenge as this is<br>>>> about he NZ consumer, not Slingshot,” Hamilton said. “The<br>>>> alternative for many at he moment is to pirate content, which is not<br>>>> helping anyone. The model needs to change and hopefully this wil help<br>>>> facilitate that.”<br>>>><br>>>> Hamilton said the ISP believes the time has come for New Zealanders to<br>>>> have the same choice of content hat hose in America and Europe have.<br>>>><br>>>> “We know Kiwis want o watch movies and TV series online but are<br>>>> blocked from using the world’s best and most popular streaming<br>>>> services. We are now giving Kiwis aces to these sites – and an<br>>>> option to pay for the content hey want o watch at a fair price.”<br>>>><br>>>> Hamilton said the issue extends beyond TV and movies, noting that New<br>>>> Zealanders pay significantly more for many technology services and<br>>>> products.<br>>>><br>>>> The move also comes ahead of launches by Telecom New Zealand and Sky<br>>>> TV, both of which are preparing subscription video services for<br>>>> consumers.<br>>>><br>>>> Geoff Long<br>>>> ================<br>>>><br>>>> If you liked this story, please consider subscribing to Commsday<br>>>> <a href="http://www.commsday.com" target="_blank">www.commsday.com</a> [1]<br>>>><br>>>> SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br>>>><br>>>> <a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a> [2]<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve<br>>>><br>>>> <a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> [3] ; [4]<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> [5]<br>>>><br>>>> <a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a> [6] ; blog: <a href="http://www.theispguy.com" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a> [7]<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> The Experts Who The Experts Call<br>>>> Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering<br>>>><br>>>> Links:<br>>>> ------<br>>>> [1] <a href="http://www.commsday.com" target="_blank">http://www.commsday.com</a><br>>>> [2] <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/</a><br>>>> [3] <a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a><br>>>> [4] <a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/networkceoau</a><br>>>> [5] <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a><br>>>> [6] <a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/theispguy</a><br>>>> [7] <a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">http://www.theispguy.com/</a><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> AusNOG mailing list<br>>>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AusNOG mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AusNOG mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p><a href="http://www.csu.edu.au/" title="Charles Sturt University"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=210 height=60 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.png@01CF99D6.210ACA00" alt="Charles Sturt University"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C42129'>| ALBURY-WODONGA | BATHURST | CANBERRA | DUBBO | GOULBURN | MELBOURNE | ONTARIO | ORANGE | PORT MACQUARIE | SYDNEY | WAGGA WAGGA |<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>LEGAL NOTICE</span></b><br><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This email (and any attachment) is confidential and is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only. 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