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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There’s a lot of hysteria with Huawei, but in essence, I think a lot of it is quite unfounded.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Considering two out of three mobile carriers in this country rely almost exclusively on Huawei equipment, perceived quality control issues don’t appear to be real enough to give them a bad name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Huawei have a bit of unfavourable history behind them, but there appears to be a lot of protectionism from the US as well. On the one hand, the NSA praises the Australian government for not considering them for the NBN, on the other, it’s later discovered that the NSA specifically targeted their equipment to create backdoors for themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s a false sense of security to assume any vendor is immune to what Huawei or the Chinese government is accused of doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I should disclose that I have worked for a software vendor that had me working from Huawei’s HQ for a number of months. If quality control of their own products is anything like I had to endure with the vendor I was working for, they’re certainly on the right path. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Gear<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 July 2014 10:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Huawei Enterprise kit<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Chris,<br><br>Personally, I'm more worried about their software quality control, especially on the security side. Have a listen to <a href="http://risky.biz/RB250">http://risky.biz/RB250</a> - their security flaws sound like the types affecting home NASs and one-man PHP coding shops, not enterprise-grade suppliers.<br><br>That podcast was nearly two years ago. Personally, I'm skeptical about their ability to turn around such a poor security culture in two years. Your opinion may vary.<br><br>Regards,<br>Paul<br><br>P.S. Note that HP Networking's Comware gear (i.e. not the ProCurve range) contains H3C (Huawei/3Com partnership) roots. I'm personally a lot more comfortable with that than with Huawei on their own. At least they have established security teams and defined processes for issuing advisories.<br><br>On 07/07/2014 08:55 AM, Chris Gibbs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hey all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>After recently listening to a packet pusher podcast on Huawei (sponsored by Huawei), I thought it might be a good topic to drag up again. <a href="http://packetpushers.net/show-193-huawei-cloudengine-cloudfabric-sponsored/">http://packetpushers.net/show-193-huawei-cloudengine-cloudfabric-sponsored/</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I know ASIO recommended that NBNCo ban Huawei from bidding. Maybe justifiable for the core/PE but does the same ban hold true for customer and enterprise kit? Not being ‘privy’ to ASIO recommendations I’m not sure either way.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Being government, I think we can request from the ASD generalised information but their current Evaluated products list doesn’t contain any products from Huawei. <a href="http://www.asd.gov.au/infosec/epl/index.php">http://www.asd.gov.au/infosec/epl/index.php</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In the CPE and enterprise markets, what are people experience and general opinion of their routing and switching products?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We are currently an all Cisco shop but due to pressures on our budget have been reviewing this decision and testing out kit from Juniper and HP. Just wondering if we should be testing out Huawei kit too.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=10 style='width:7.5pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p><a href="http://www.gosford.nsw.gov.au"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=140 height=117 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01CF99D2.399D8480"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=30 style='width:22.5pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p>Chris Gibbs<br>Network and Security Engineer | Information Management & Technology<br>Gosford City Council<br>(PO Box 21)<br>Gosford NSW 2250<br>P (02) 43258888<br>M 0408 222 496<br>E <a href="mailto:Chris.Gibbs@gosford.nsw.gov.au">Chris.Gibbs@gosford.nsw.gov.au</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=20 style='width:15.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p><a href="http://confirmsubscription.com/h/i/A752C35C6D10F1BB"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=30 height=30 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01CF99D2.399D8480" alt="Gosford Connect eNewsletter"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=10 style='width:7.5pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/GosfordCityCouncil"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=30 height=30 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.jpg@01CF99D2.399D8480" alt="Gosford Council Facebook"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=10 style='width:7.5pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p><a href="http://twitter.com/gosford_council"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=30 height=30 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image004.png@01CF99D2.399D8480" alt="Gosford Council Twitter"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=45 style='width:33.75pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p><a href="http://www.gosford.nsw.gov.au" title="Gosford City
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