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Hi Skeeve,<br>
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I did read it below - I was asking for confirmation wasn't trying
to sound daft or contradict you.<br>
<br>
My main question for confirmation was, that I should perhaps
request a larger block from APNIC to then split that into /32's to
hand out to my multiple POP's (say a /30 or /28 or something).
Luckily I currently have a lot of IPv4 so requesting more won't cost
more, just trying to determine best way forward for the company with
an IPv6 deployment, across cities/states/countries.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Joe<br>
<br>
On 03/07/14 16:06, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEUfUGPP55+nmHWO2Jq3SCZGe0EJ0TsUPNX+AqwtXo2TtUh0Jg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Joseph,
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<div>Did you read my policy below.</div>
<div><br>
There is no breaking up the /32. You essentially get another
allocation.. a /48 or something else to use at other sites.
That will come from a pool of addresses which will be able to
be routed.</div>
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<div>No, it is not possible to request to be allowed to announce
that /32 in smaller blocks.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:54 PM,
Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Keeping this
on-list, even though specific to my situation, in case
it answers others questions:<br>
<br>
To chime in on this Skeeve, I currently have a /32
assigned from APNIC (inside 2400::/12), so by what your
saying I can only advertise the /32 and never anything
bigger (smaller, lol)?<br>
<br>
Should I be requesting a larger /30 from APNIC so I have
the opportunity to split /32's across sites?<br>
<br>
If I own a /32 how do I manage multi-homing in regards
to trying to manage inbound traffic? A decent, easy
method of this now is path prepending different /24's on
your transit providers to try and artificially generate
more traffic on a peer, how would I go about similar
things in IPv6? Or is this where having multiple /32's
comes in to effect and doing the same, but at the /32
level?<br>
<br>
Is it possible to request blocks from APNIC that fall
within a range that is allowed to go down to /48? Or is
this just problematic in general?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Joe<br>
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<div>On 03/07/14 15:35, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">OK... so here goes.
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<div>My opinion is that what SAGE is doing is well
meaning, but ultimately problematic.</div>
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<div>They should not be breaking down their /32 for
members to announce /48's.</div>
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<div>The reasoning for this was a significant part
of my policy proposal 083 a couple of years ago (<a
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target="_blank">https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-083</a>)</div>
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<div>The issue was that if I got a /32, I was not
able to break it down for announcement if I want
to put part of it in a different
(non-connected/aggregated) location. So the
policy allows you to get another block to announce
in that location.</div>
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<div>The key issue here is that SAGE's /32
allocation is from a block, where if strict BOGON
listing is used, means their member routes will be
dropped.</div>
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<div>For example, the current ipv6 BOGON list is: (<a
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href="http://www.space.net/%7Egert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html"
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<pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict deny 3ffe::/16 le 128
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:500::/30 ge 48 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict deny 2001:db8::/32 le 128
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001::/32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001::/16 ge 35 le 35
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001::/16 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:0678::/29 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:0c00::/23 ge 48 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:13c7:6000::/36 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:13c7:7000::/36 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:43f8::/29 ge 40 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2002::/16
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2003::/16 ge 19 le 32
<b>ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2400::/12 ge 19 le 32</b>
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2600::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2610::/23 ge 24 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2620::/23 ge 40 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2800::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2a00::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2801:0000::/24 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2c00::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict deny 0::/0 le 128</pre>
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<div class="gmail_extra">If you look at the block
SAGE is in, their block, in strict form, means
anything smaller than a /32 will be dropped.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Members who get a /48
from APNIC are from a different pool, 2001
somewhere, which has a /48 length.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">So... sorry SAGE, but you
pooched this one.<br clear="all">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at
2:30 PM, Jeroen Massar <span dir="ltr"><<a
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On 2014-07-02 23:41, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
> > So whats the min mask length.
So it I wanted to multihome would I be<br>
> > okay with 1 /48 or will up
streams take /49-64 ?<br>
><br>
> /48 is the accepted minimum.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Which is why SAGE-AU settled on
offering an IPv6 /48 to every member<br>
> (and yes, this does mean that as a
business, if all you want is an IPv6<br>
> /48, you can get a completely portable
/48 allocation from SAGE-AU for<br>
> $165 a year instead of paying the APNIC
membership fee if the member you<br>
> pay for agrees to utilise the
allocation for your business purposes).<br>
<br>
Quick check:<br>
<br>
inet6num: 2406:C500::/32<br>
netname: TSAGOA<br>
descr: The System Administrators
Guild of Australia<br>
country: AU<br>
<br>
That is a single /32, out of the PA block of
APNIC. Hence, unless you<br>
convince every single ISP in the world to
accept it, the only thing you<br>
can announce is that /32, nothing else.<br>
<br>
More specifics will properly be dropped.<br>
<br>
Please don't spam the BGP tables with more
specifics. If you need PI, go<br>
get a distinct PI block for that site from
your favourite LIR.<br>
<br>
Greets,<br>
Jeroen<br>
<br>
<br>
Oh and yes, it will be a lot of fun when
some large company is going to<br>
split and then have to split up their IPv6
address space, somebody will<br>
be renumbering a lot of hosts... ;)<br>
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