<div dir="ltr">Joseph,<div><br></div><div>Did you read my policy below.</div><div><br>There is no breaking up the /32. You essentially get another allocation.. a /48 or something else to use at other sites. That will come from a pool of addresses which will be able to be routed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>No, it is not possible to request to be allowed to announce that /32 in smaller blocks.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>...Skeeve</div><div><br></div><div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Joseph Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Keeping this on-list, even though specific to my situation, in case
it answers others questions:<br>
<br>
To chime in on this Skeeve, I currently have a /32 assigned from
APNIC (inside 2400::/12), so by what your saying I can only
advertise the /32 and never anything bigger (smaller, lol)?<br>
<br>
Should I be requesting a larger /30 from APNIC so I have the
opportunity to split /32's across sites?<br>
<br>
If I own a /32 how do I manage multi-homing in regards to trying to
manage inbound traffic? A decent, easy method of this now is path
prepending different /24's on your transit providers to try and
artificially generate more traffic on a peer, how would I go about
similar things in IPv6? Or is this where having multiple /32's comes
in to effect and doing the same, but at the /32 level?<br>
<br>
Is it possible to request blocks from APNIC that fall within a range
that is allowed to go down to /48? Or is this just problematic in
general?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Joe<br>
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<div>On 03/07/14 15:35, Skeeve Stevens
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">OK... so here goes.
<div><br>
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<div>My opinion is that what SAGE is doing is well meaning, but
ultimately problematic.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They should not be breaking down their /32 for members to
announce /48's.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The reasoning for this was a significant part of my policy
proposal 083 a couple of years ago (<a href="https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-083" target="_blank">https://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-083</a>)</div>
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<div>The issue was that if I got a /32, I was not able to break
it down for announcement if I want to put part of it in a
different (non-connected/aggregated) location. So the policy
allows you to get another block to announce in that location.</div>
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<div>The key issue here is that SAGE's /32 allocation is from a
block, where if strict BOGON listing is used, means their
member routes will be dropped.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For example, the current ipv6 BOGON list is: (<a href="http://www.space.net/%7Egert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html" target="_blank">http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html</a>)</div>
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<pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict deny 3ffe::/16 le 128
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:500::/30 ge 48 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict deny 2001:db8::/32 le 128
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001::/32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001::/16 ge 35 le 35
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001::/16 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:0678::/29 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:0c00::/23 ge 48 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:13c7:6000::/36 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:13c7:7000::/36 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2001:43f8::/29 ge 40 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2002::/16
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2003::/16 ge 19 le 32
<b>ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2400::/12 ge 19 le 32</b>
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2600::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2610::/23 ge 24 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2620::/23 ge 40 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2800::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2a00::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2801:0000::/24 le 48
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict permit 2c00::/12 ge 19 le 32
ipv6 prefix-list ipv6-ebgp-strict deny 0::/0 le 128</pre>
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<div class="gmail_extra">If you look at the block SAGE is in,
their block, in strict form, means anything smaller than a
/32 will be dropped.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Members who get a /48 from APNIC are
from a different pool, 2001 somewhere, which has a /48
length.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">So... sorry SAGE, but you pooched
this one.<br clear="all">
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
...Skeeve</div>
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Jeroen Massar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeroen@massar.ch" target="_blank">jeroen@massar.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 2014-07-02 23:41, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
> > So whats the min mask length. So it I
wanted to multihome would I be<br>
> > okay with 1 /48 or will up streams take
/49-64 ?<br>
><br>
> /48 is the accepted minimum.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Which is why SAGE-AU settled on offering an IPv6
/48 to every member<br>
> (and yes, this does mean that as a business, if all
you want is an IPv6<br>
> /48, you can get a completely portable /48
allocation from SAGE-AU for<br>
> $165 a year instead of paying the APNIC membership
fee if the member you<br>
> pay for agrees to utilise the allocation for your
business purposes).<br>
<br>
Quick check:<br>
<br>
inet6num: 2406:C500::/32<br>
netname: TSAGOA<br>
descr: The System Administrators Guild of
Australia<br>
country: AU<br>
<br>
That is a single /32, out of the PA block of APNIC.
Hence, unless you<br>
convince every single ISP in the world to accept it, the
only thing you<br>
can announce is that /32, nothing else.<br>
<br>
More specifics will properly be dropped.<br>
<br>
Please don't spam the BGP tables with more specifics. If
you need PI, go<br>
get a distinct PI block for that site from your
favourite LIR.<br>
<br>
Greets,<br>
Jeroen<br>
<br>
<br>
Oh and yes, it will be a lot of fun when some large
company is going to<br>
split and then have to split up their IPv6 address
space, somebody will<br>
be renumbering a lot of hosts... ;)<br>
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