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I know we tried this on our Optus 3G product and when it didn't work were told that <u>the Optus network won't route Layer 3 addresses other than the pushed framed-ip</u> to a given 3G SIM.</blockquote></blockquote>
Certainly this was true from when I last had a go a few years back, it's not a matter of filtering specific protocols but rather as Andrew has said, you can't pass a packet with a destination IP they don't know about through the service/product, even though if I recall correctly it's presented as vanilla L2TP tunnel.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>IP/GRE & IPSec (bridged) definitely worked at the time and you should be able to frag/reass on most platforms with the range of options (l2tp / eompls / bridged tunnel) to avoid sub 1500 MTU if you feel it's desirable in your environment</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Matt</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 July 2014 13:34, Nathan Brookfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">They’ve been around for quite a few years now, first heard of them in late 2010 when they started Wholesaling Telstra’s 3G service,
we don’t use them but seem to have a good team.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div class="">
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 July 2014 1:27 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Layer 2 NextG Product<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
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(02) 4749 4949 <b>|</b> <b>Fax:</b> (02) 4749 4950 <b>|</b> <b>Direct:</b> (02) 4749 4951</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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