<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I got the last liberal AG to say that he thought this would be a great use of "retained metadata" during a Joint Parliamentary Committee on Security at which Steve Dalby and I laid out the likely costs to an ISP like iiNet of retaining that data. You can find this in Hansard if you have any interest.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't forget kids, metadata is data. It's your click-stream. It's IP addresses, it's URLs, with timestamps.</div><div><br></div><div>Why give away all your privacy just because a low value industry from the USA demands it? Is turning Australia into more of a police state than the USA a price you're willing to pay for ensuring a few movie studios who can't be bothered selling their content to you in Australia can make you wait until they're good and ready?</div><div><br></div><div>Why are we so willing to allow this level of surveillance in Australia?</div><div><br></div><div>Why are we so willing to pay for it?</div><div><br></div><div>It isn't happening the USA.</div><div><br></div><div>Copyright is a civil law, not a criminal law.</div><div><br></div><div>The only reason the studios are trying to do it is because if you lose a civil legal case you have to pay the defendant's legal bill.</div><div><br></div><div>In the USA copyright trolls can sue grandmothers into craters, lose the case and walk away scot free.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div><br><font face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">John Lindsay</span></font></div><div><br>On 11 Jun 2014, at 12:52 pm, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Yes... and Telstra and other carriers should be monitoring the content of your phone calls for illegal or threatening content, and censoring you on the fly... just in case!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Greg Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ganderson@raywhite.com" target="_blank">ganderson@raywhite.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">So really what should be happening here, is network operators should be identifying the illegal use of networking processes. Then, by identifying the users address, they can contact the power companies who are providing the power to a user who is using that power for illegal download activities and illegally share the users address with them. The power companies then should send someone out to site to cut this illegal use of electricity, upon which they confer with the network operator to ensure the illegal downloads have stopped, job done.<div>
<br></div><div>Or better yet, the power companies can monitor their power network and identify the minuscule voltage changes resulting from packet transmission, read the packet for illegal activity, and then shut down the power themselves upon breach.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Problem solvered.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 June 2014 12:17, Tom Berryman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom@connectivityit.com.au" target="_blank">tom@connectivityit.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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