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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Re …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Let's just suppose instead of responding predictably (outraged!) we propose a viable alternative? The police want ISP's to archive log files? No problem. Here is the monthly charge Police Minister for administration and data storage costs. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree that it certainly is hard to accept that, in these times of being required to pay a direct charge to government departments in compensation for services provided to business’ & to the public, that they would fail to offer compensation to business’ providing a service to government, in an equitable manner.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That would be prejudicial!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Geordie Guy<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 June 2014 1:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> mike@brassrazoo.net.au<br><b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] iiNet - packet management versus censorship - a realistic alternative<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Mike Ryan - Brass Razoo Group <<a href="mailto:brassrazoo1@gmail.com" target="_blank">brassrazoo1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let's just suppose instead of responding predictably (outraged!) we propose a viable alternative? The police want ISP's to archive log files? No problem. Here is the monthly charge Police Minister for administration and data storage costs. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>New Zealand did this and the anger about it from Hollywood became the second thing next to the great wall visible from space. The content industry isn't going to get sucked into that again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Government requires ISP's to manage and block traffic? No problem. Here is the monthly charge for providing this service.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How'd that go when it was proposed by the ALP to block the ACMA blacklist websites seven years ago? If I remember correctly a handful of Mum 'n' Dad's Outback Network Shack ISPs shivved each other to get on the trial of it so some of their costs would be covered as part of the trial, and everyone else got told to GTFO and budget for pass-by filters for Q1 2008 - Q5 200-forever.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>When the reality dawns that these tasks cost big money then we may see a rapid policy change. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Applying commercial acumen to polices may result in better outcomes - NBN anybody? <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And how did the FTTP NBN go? It's like you're deliberately using evidence of how you're wrong to advocate your position that you're right.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>PS - I am not trolling - but the predictable response to anything this Govt does makes me very tired. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yeah. I'm bloody exhausted from everybody who operates a network on AusNOG (and those that don't) predictably coming up with ideas of tossing half a Coles epping sausage over the fence to the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft's pack of pit bulls who are overjoyed at the fact a pro-US copyright agenda Attorney General with a side-portfolio in the arts is ready to do whatever they want.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mike Ryan <a href="mailto:mike@brassrazoo.com.au" target="_blank">mike@brassrazoo.com.au</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>