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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Has anyone else found that every VIC/SA service they have this morning dropped at approximately 0530hrs and did not come back online? I am finding if I log-in
to Frontier and rebuild the AAPT DSLAM port the service comes back online but otherwise cannot be restored from a power cycle etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kindest Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#365F91">Local:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#365F91"> (02) 4749 4949
<b>|</b> <b>Fax:</b> (02) 4749 4950 <b>|</b> <b>Direct:</b> (02) 4749 4951<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>|</b> <b>E-mail</b>: <a href="mailto:nathan.brookfield@simtronic.com.au"><span style="color:#365F91">nathan.brookfield@simtronic.com.au</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 6 June 2014 9:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shane Short; Rod Veith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Like any good business they compete on profits. Not best product or best service. Why should 2 companies compete when they can divide …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shane Short<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 6 June 2014 1:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rod Veith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Competition has been our apparent saviour for the last mile for the last decade (or when the local-loop was deregulated, whichever was first), but it's never come. This whole notion of "leave it up to the Telco's, they'll compete and everyone
wins" is complete bullshit. Telco's cherry-pick last mile installations that make sense to them-- ignoring everybody else; which amusingly, is exactly where we are now.<br>
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I'm not saying a regulated incumbent last mile provider isn't without it's flaws, but in my mind it's the best option we've got.<br>
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-Shane<br>
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Rod Veith wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I can just see me under the last mile competition scenario calling ‘my telco’ and asking them to put on the internet for me in my cul-de-sac court in ‘name-your-suburb’
and having them say:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not a problem Rod, we’ll do that for you, it will take 2 days --- after our planning people take 2-12 months looking at your request (sorry we’re snowed
under with everyone wanting access to the internet and phone services), another 2-3 months co-ordinating with the duct owner to obtain duct access, 1 day to install termination box in house, 2-3 months delay queuing with the civil works section (they are
flat out as well), 3 days hauling cable to your house, another 3 months as the completion request got lost somewhere, another visit to connect fibre router, 1 min to turn on service - oops wrong house, sorry what address are you at again? And this assumes
they already have fibre to your nearest node point or</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(Delay as the customer service representative stifles some laughter after looking up your address), sorry Mr Rod we do not service that area, please check
back with us in 2 years time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Paul Wallace [<a href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au">mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 June 2014 7:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Graeme Allen; Rod Veith; <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod –</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Could you kindly set out your reasoning in support of your contention that “</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is the last place competition
makes sense.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">?? thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-P</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Graeme Allen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 June 2014 7:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rod Veith; <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Here here! A single regulated national railway to Sydney is all we will ever need. Legislate those pesky airlines and roads out of existence, put in non-complete clauses so no-one can ever build anything else
ever again, and we can all live in a prescribed governmental nirvana, its a model that's been proven to work again and again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 June 2014 19:04:25 GMT+10:00, Rod Veith <<a href="mailto:rod@rb.net.au">rod@rb.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Quote Paul</span><i> </i><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"……</span>
</i><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Last mile infrastructure competition would be a huge bonus for Australian consumers."</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is the last place competition makes sense. Should we</span>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">also</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
have 4 providers of railway lines to Sydney? or</span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
3 driveways into your house?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A national provider, under regulation</span>,<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> makes the most sense for Australia. Competition is not right cure for all problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rod</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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