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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I got same info this morning. <br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
<br>
On 5/06/14 10:56 AM, Nathan Brookfield wrote:<br>
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<div>I have been assured that this migration is from one set of
LAC'a to another and is not in any way a service migration.<br>
<br>
<div>Kindest Regards,</div>
Nathan Brookfield
<div><br>
<div>Chief Executive Officer</div>
<div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Simtronic Technologies Pty
Ltd</span></div>
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On 5 Jun 2014, at 10:48, "Shaun Deans" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">Matt;</div>
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ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">We received a notification about an 'NWB
Migration' happening on 15/06 with a list of services.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">These services look to be iiNet AnnexM
services so it looks like were about to find out if they
support AnnexM.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">The main fallout we noticed was an increase
in loss of ppp sessions due to noisey lines and no profiles
being applied.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif">To make matters worse there is no integration
into frontier for TPG DSLAMs and the only option is to lodge
a fault and wait for the techs to apply the profile.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">Cheers</div>
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ms',sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:58 AM,
Matt Perkins <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:matt@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">matt@spectrum.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Over all I don't believe that the people that are
really effected by this are acting surprised about
the networks merging. The problem I believe for most
is the lack of notification. I didn't use the word
consultation because they can do what they want with
their network. But smaller isp's maintain there
competitive edge by innovating with what they have. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That can mean using circuits for redundancy via
some sort of engineered path or any number of
reasons a particular carrier or combination is used.
The balance is often fine and when things are
changed without any notification alternate
arrangements if need be can not be made on time.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't expect TPG to understand the pressures of
running a small ISP. I do expect them to notify me
with some sort of warning when they intend to change
things. That way I can make a choice. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To aapt's credit their rep has informed us that
they are sorry for the over site and will endeavor
to keep us more informed about changes. That's a
good step forward. </div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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</div>
<div>Matt</div>
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On 5 Jun 2014, at 8:00 am, Curtis Bayne <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:curtis@bayne.com.au"
target="_blank">curtis@bayne.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<p>What gets me is that we are all acting
surprised.</p>
<p>This is the logical conclusion of a
consolidated retail network with wholesale
competition stifled by regulatory
uncertainty.</p>
<p>Regardless of any theological thought
experiment, the pragmatic reality is that
the only thing that has delivered reasonable
outcomes to consumers in Australia is
infrastructure competition.</p>
<p>This is what happens when you consolidate
access networks.<br>
</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 4, 2014 12:45
PM, "Mark Currie" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:MCurrie@laserfast.com.au"
target="_blank">MCurrie@laserfast.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sounds a lot like Microsoft....Just buy
some company to basically remove them from
competition, and then let the products and
customers either dilute and slowly
disappear or just get dumped into the
wastebasket....despite the company they
have purchased having had a good market
presence and were fairly innovative....<br>
<br>
Mark Currie<br>
<br>
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On Behalf Of Shaun McGuane<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:30 PM<br>
To: Nathan Brookfield; Bradley Amm; Andrew
Jones; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<br>
<br>
This is the exact reason why we removed
PIPE Networks from our carrier list when
TPG made all these changes after consuming
them. There were no notifications of
changes to upstream network providers it
just changed one day to TPG.<br>
<br>
Just seems like TPG are up to their same
old tricks ... buy a carrier - consume the
carrier and spit it out as TPG whatever
the cost.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards<br>
<br>
Shaun McGuane | CEO<br>
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On Behalf Of Nathan Brookfield<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:43 AM<br>
To: Bradley Amm; Andrew Jones; <a
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<br>
<br>
It's actually not, there are strict
service schedules which outline the
products they can offer to you, you also
agree to T&C's during the order
process which outline the service type and
supplier.<br>
<br>
Kindest Regards,<br>
Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)<br>
<br>
Chief Executive Officer<br>
Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd<br>
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On Behalf Of Bradley Amm<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 11:37 AM<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<br>
<br>
Well really they agree to provide you with
X service at $Z price Whoever or whatever
they use to get it to you is irrelevant<br>
<br>
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On Behalf Of Andrew Jones<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:16 AM<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<br>
<br>
I have real questions about whether moving
the services to TPG DSLAMs would be
allowed by contracts in place with
customers.<br>
If TPG own AAPT, but it's still a separate
business, and service schedules call out
exactly what third party providers will be
used to supply the services, where do the
services from TPG fit into such an
agreement?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:04.06.2014%2010"
value="+61406201410" target="_blank">04.06.2014
10</a>:49, Matt Perkins wrote:<br>
> I understand the commercial reality
of it. It's not that it's moved to<br>
> TPG DSLAM's thats really the problem.
It's that they cut it over with<br>
> no notification. We could not involve
the customer test for<br>
> compliance. Not to mention there
would have been an outage while they<br>
> moved the jumper that they did not
inform us of.<br>
><br>
> In the end of the day it's there
network. They can do as they like<br>
> with it but a little information flow
would have been much better then<br>
> a surprise.<br>
><br>
> Matt.<br>
><br>
> On 4/06/14 10:36 AM, Skeeve Stevens
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I am not sure why we are
surprised really.<br>
>><br>
>> TPG is going to dismantle
everything that made AAPT AAPT...<br>
>><br>
>> Expect them to pull everything
they had intercap off Nextgen and onto<br>
>> AAPT fibre as soon as contracts
run out. This will put a dent into<br>
>> Nextgens figures I bet.<br>
>><br>
>> The AAPT Wholesale people still
seem to think that they will have<br>
>> jobs within a year... and they
have the support of TPG to continue<br>
>> pushing wholesale services. At
least some good people will be<br>
>> available for others to hire.<br>
>><br>
>> It is my opinion that while TPG
has some good products, I think<br>
>> essentially they are wholesale
hostile and will put any direct<br>
>> commercial opportunity in front
of any wholesale opportunity in every<br>
>> case.<br>
>><br>
>> I've had opportunities that were
going to be fulfilled via wholesale,<br>
>> who were told to stop supporting
us as their commercial side were<br>
>> competing for it directly.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't believe words anymore, I
believe actions and base everything<br>
>> off what people do, not what they
say they will do.. and we've all<br>
>> seen what has happened to Soul
and Pipe since TPG took over. Lots of<br>
>> staff hired for Pipe were told
they were going to be supported, and<br>
>> not long later realised it was
all words with no reality.<br>
>><br>
>> Btw... Good on TPG for pushing
their commercial agenda... from that<br>
>> perspective they are
succeeding... I just think it is wrong to
'fake<br>
>> support' wholesale when they do
everything to undercut it. Just be<br>
>> honest about your intentions TPG
is all I say.<br>
>><br>
>> ...Skeeve<br>
>><br>
>> SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego
Networks Pty Ltd<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>><br>
>> The Experts Who The Experts Call<br>
>> Juniper - Cisco - Cloud -
Consulting - IPv4 Brokering<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:24 AM,
Cameron Ferdinands<br>
>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron@jferdinands.com"
target="_blank">cameron@jferdinands.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Makes you wonder what will
happen to the AAPT tails that are on<br>
>>> iiNet DSLAMs?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Matt, Nathan have you noticed
any MTU issues since AAPT have churned<br>
>>> those tails to TPG?<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 4 June 2014 09:40, Nathan
Brookfield<br>
>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> > Matt,<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > I'll e-mail you off
list, let's just say I do know and I was
not<br>
>>> very happy when I noticed.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Kindest Regards,<br>
>>> > Nathan Brookfield
(VK2NAB)<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Chief Executive Officer<br>
>>> > Simtronic Technologies
Pty Ltd<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Local: <a
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value="+61247494949" target="_blank">
(02) 4749 4949</a> | Fax: <a
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href="tel:%2802%29%204749%204950"
value="+61247494950" target="_blank">
(02) 4749 4950</a> | Direct: (02) 4749<br>
>>> 4951<br>
>>> > Web: <a
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href="http://www.simtronic.com.au"
target="_blank">http://www.simtronic.com.au</a>
[1] | E-mail:<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">nathan.brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > -----Original
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target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
On Behalf<br>
>>> Of Matt Perkins<br>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, 4 June
2014 9:37 AM<br>
>>> > To: <a
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href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
>>> > Subject: [AusNOG] AAPT /
TPG Merge NWB<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Looks like some of our
AAPT NWB services that were delivered on<br>
>>> Telstra have magically been
churned to TPG without any notification.<br>
>>> Anyone else notice this ?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Matt.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > --<br>
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