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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Competition has been our
apparent saviour for the last mile for the last decade (or when the
local-loop was deregulated, whichever was first), but it's never come.
This whole notion of "leave it up to the Telco's, they'll compete and
everyone wins" is complete bullshit. Telco's cherry-pick last mile
installations that make sense to them-- ignoring everybody else; which
amusingly, is exactly where we are now.<br>
<br>
I'm not saying a regulated incumbent last mile provider isn't without
it's flaws, but in my mind it's the best option we've got.<br>
<br>
-Shane<br>
<br>
<br>
Rod Veith wrote:
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
can just see me under the last mile competition scenario calling ‘my
telco’ and asking them to put on the internet for me in my cul-de-sac
court in ‘name-your-suburb’ and having them say:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
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lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not
a problem Rod, we’ll do that for you, it will take 2 days --- after
our planning people take 2-12 months looking at your request (sorry
we’re snowed under with everyone wanting access to the internet and
phone services), another 2-3 months co-ordinating with the duct owner to
obtain duct access, 1 day to install termination box in house, 2-3
months delay queuing with the civil works section (they are flat out as
well), 3 days hauling cable to your house, another 3 months as the
completion request got lost somewhere, another visit to connect fibre
router, 1 min to turn on service - oops wrong house, sorry what address
are you at again? And this assumes they already have fibre to your
nearest node point or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
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Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(Delay
as the customer service representative stifles some laughter after
looking up your address), sorry Mr Rod we do not service that area,
please check back with us in 2 years time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> Paul Wallace [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au">mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b>
Thursday, 5 June 2014 7:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Graeme Allen; Rod Veith;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rod
–<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Could
you kindly set out your reasoning in support of your contention that “</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is
the last place competition makes sense.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">?? thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-P</span><span
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0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Graeme Allen<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 June 2014
7:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rod Veith; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [AusNOG] AAPT / TPG Merge NWB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Here here! A single regulated national
railway to Sydney is all we will ever need. Legislate those pesky
airlines and roads out of existence, put in non-complete clauses so
no-one can ever build anything else ever again, and we can all live in a
prescribed governmental nirvana, its a model that's been proven to work
again and again.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 5 June 2014
19:04:25 GMT+10:00, Rod Veith <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rod@rb.net.au">rod@rb.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Quote
Paul</span><i> </i><i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"……</span>
</i><i><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Last mile
infrastructure competition would be a huge bonus for Australian
consumers."</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is the
last place competition makes sense. Should we</span> <span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">also</span>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">have
4 providers of railway lines to Sydney? or</span> <span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">3
driveways into your house?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A
national provider, under regulation</span>,<span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> makes
the most sense for Australia. Competition is not right cure for all
problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rod</span><o:p></o:p></p><pre style="text-align:center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></pre><pre>
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